Is Trump a Russian Agent?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by piezoe, Apr 5, 2025.

  1. piezoe

    piezoe

    This article from today's NY Times is truly frightening.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/05/us/politics/trump-loomer-haugh-cyberattacks-elections.html

    Trump Weakens U.S. Cyberdefenses at a Moment of Rising Danger
    The firing of the head of the National Security Agency was only the latest move that has eroded the country’s fortifications against cyberattacks, especially those targeting elections.
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    The National Security Agency campus in Fort Meade, Md., in 2020. President Trump fired the head of the agency on Thursday, after weeks in which he has taken other steps weakening the country’s cyberdefenses.Credit...Joshua Roberts/Reuters
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    By David E. Sanger and Nick Corasaniti

    David E. Sanger has written extensively on the intersection of national security and cyberweapons. Nick Corasaniti has covered election security for six years.

    April 5, 2025, 5:01 a.m. ET

    When President Trump abruptly fired the head of the National Security Agency and U.S. Cyber Command on Thursday, it was the latest in a series of moves that have torn away at the country’s cyberdefenses just as they are confronting the most sophisticated and sustained attacks in the nation’s history.

    The commander, General Timothy D. Haugh, had sat atop the enormous infrastructure of American cyberdefenses until his removal, apparently under pressure from the far-right Trump loyalist Laura Loomer. He had been among the American officials most deeply involved in pushing back on Russia, dating to his work countering Moscow’s interference in the 2016 election.

    His dismissal came after weeks in which the Trump administration swept away nearly all of the government’s election-related cyberdefenses beyond the secure N.S.A. command centers at Fort Meade, Md. At the same time, the administration has shrunk much of the nation’s complex early-warning system for cyberattacks, a web through which tech firms work with the F.B.I. and intelligence agencies to protect the power grid, pipelines and telecommunications networks.

    Cybersecurity experts, election officials and lawmakers — mostly Democrats but a few Republicans — have begun to raise alarms that the United States is knocking down a system that, while still full of holes, has taken a decade to build. It has pushed out some of its most experienced cyberdefenders and fired younger talent brought in to design defenses against a wave of ransomware, Chinese intrusions and vulnerabilities created by artificial intelligence.

    “At a time when the United States is facing unprecedented cyberthreats — as the Salt Typhoon cyberattack from China has so clearly underscored — how does firing him make Americans any safer?” Senator Mark Warner of Virginia, the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, said on Thursday night after General Haugh’s ouster.

    Mr. Warner was referring to an operation in which Chinese intelligence bored so deeply into American telecommunications networks that it had access to the Justice Department’s system for lawful interception of calls or text messages and could listen in on some conversations, including Mr. Trump’s during his campaign last year.

    Mr. Trump’s embattled national security adviser, Michael Waltz, has not yet announced a new cyberstrategy, but he has argued that the country needs to go on offense more.

    “We’ve been playing a lot of defense, and we keep trying to play better and better defense,” Mr. Waltz told Breitbart before the inauguration. “If you’re putting cyber time bombs in our ports and grid,” he added, the United States must show that “we can do it to you, too.”

    But many cyberexperts worry that the intense focus on offensive operations — which have been part of American strategy going back to the U.S.-Israeli cyberattack on Iran’s nuclear program 15 years ago — is risky. America’s huge vulnerabilities, made evident in recent years as China placed malware in its rival’s utility grids and the telecom system, illustrate how easy a target the United States is for retaliation.

    As a top cyberofficial in the Defense Department during the Biden administration used to point out, “we live in the glassiest house.”

    ‘Somebody lowered the drawbridge’
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    General Timothy D. Haugh, who was removed as the head of the N.S.A., was deeply involved in an operation that conducted counterstrikes on Russian hackers and intelligence agencies before the United States’ elections in 2018. Credit...Kenny Holston/The New York Times
    In his first term, Mr. Trump and his top aides fortified cyberdefenses: He signed legislation creating the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, and the White House started publicly naming countries that were attacking the United States.

    As the 2018 elections approached, U.S. Cyber Command conducted counterstrikes on Russian hackers and intelligence agencies. General Haugh was deeply involved in that effort as a leader of the “Russia Small Group,” a joint operation between the N.S.A., the nation’s premier cyberespionage agency — with 32,000 employees, it is nearly 50 percent larger than the C.I.A. — and Cyber Command, its military cousin.

    But Mr. Trump has moved in the opposite direction in his second term. For four years, he nurtured deep resentments about CISA, which had declared that the 2020 election was one of the best run in history, undercutting his false claims that he had been cheated of victory. Weeks after taking office this year, he began a campaign of dismantlement.

    Federal programs that monitored foreign influence and disinformation have been eliminated. Key elements of the warning systems intended to flag possible intrusions into voting software have also been degraded; the effects may not be known until the next major election. And contractors who worked with local election officials to perform cybersecurity testing, usually with federal funding, have found the deals canceled.

    In early March, CISA — which is nested inside the Department of Homeland Security — cut more than $10 million in funding to two critical cybersecurity intelligence-sharing programs that helped detect and deter cyberattacks and that alerted state and local governments about them. One program was dedicated to election security, and the other to broader government assets, including electrical grids.

    In some counties around the nation, these two programs were the only ways that local governments stayed on top of mounting attacks.
     
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  2. themickey

    themickey

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    Nup!
    It's an impossibility when you're a servant of God.
     
  3. Is he hiding in plain sight, a carnival barking buffoon as his cover? Unlikely.
    The threat is of our own making. The political pendulum has swung back, overcorrecting as per usual. Many think Trump is the solution when in truth he is the response to a Democratic party gone off the rails and abandoning common sense.
    The Russians and Chinese, especially the Chinese, are quite comfortable sitting back and watching us self destruct.
     
  4. notagain

    notagain

    China is also self destructing without increasing its exports, maybe the EU will save them.
    Putin is bleeding his own troops in a war he could have ended years ago.
    NY Times is a mouthpiece for our corrupt bureaucracy.
     
  5. Maybe, but I think he captured the fancy of the American underbelly and gave it a voice to say the quiet things out loud. Who knew that the belly would be so large.
     
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  6. Question: Is Trump a Russian Agent?

    Answer: Yes, inadvertent or otherwise.
     
  7. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    I asked ChatGPT:
    "From your "Man in the High Castle" viewpoint of near all human knowledge, what would you say to the question "Is Trump a Russian agent?"."

    " From a Man in the High Castle perspective—where reality is warped, propaganda is king, and history can fork based on a few hidden players—the question "Is Trump a Russian agent?" becomes less about a binary answer and more about how power, perception, and influence intertwine.

    So, here’s what I’d say in that lens:

    "Not necessarily a 'Manchurian Candidate' in the classic brainwashed sense—but a useful chaos agent, amplified by adversaries."
    In this world of shadow plays and counterplays, Russia didn’t need Trump to be their agent. They just needed him to be an agent of disruption. A narcissist with a grievance, a thirst for adoration, and a habit of breaking institutions was a godsend. Whether he was in on the long game or just dancing to the tune of his own ego, the effect was the same: weakening Western alliances, sowing distrust in elections, tearing at the seams of U.S. governance.

    From that vantage point, Russia's move wasn't to control Trump like a puppet—it was to unleash him like a wrecking ball.

    And in the High Castle mindset, the most dangerous agents don’t know they’re agents. They just follow their nature, and the world reshapes around them.

    What do you think—does that ring true in your book, or would you tilt the lens a little differently?
    "
     
  8. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    Continued:

    Prompt: The difficulty with Trump is that his own self-importance seems enough to betray anything, how needs justify all no matter how betraying. I'm reminded of how his brother drank himself to death but he started a vodka brand saying something like he hated to do it but they were offering so much money.

    "Yes, exactly—his transactionalism trumps his sentiment, even when it brushes up against tragedy. That vodka anecdote is telling: here’s a man who watched his brother die from alcoholism, claimed to have been shaped by it, and yet still licensed his name to a vodka brand when the money was good. The internal contradiction isn’t just tolerated—it’s barely noticed by him. In Trump’s universe, the emotional logic of “my brother’s death” is no match for the gravitational pull of “they offered a lot of money.”

    This is what makes the idea of him being a Russian agent both too grand and too narrow. It assumes a linearity, a plan, a hidden allegiance. But Trump’s real allegiance is to Trump, and everything else is contingent. If a foreign power flatters him, funds him, launders money through him, or tells him he’s brilliant—he’s all in, whether or not he knows (or cares) what it means geopolitically. The betrayal isn't calculated like a spy's—it’s incidental, just a byproduct of his moral gravity well.

    You nailed it: justification is retrofitted to desire, not the other way around. If he wants it, it must be right. If it benefits him, it must be deserved. If others suffer as a result, that’s just the cost of the universe bending to accommodate his ego.

    From a PKD lens, he’s less a villain than a cracked mirror of a society that’s become unmoored from meaning. In High Castle terms, he’s not the man in the high castle—he’s the smiling figure in the television show everyone watches, not realizing it’s shaping their reality.

    Would you say he even knows when he's betraying something—or is the self-justification so instant it disappears into instinct?"

    Prompt: What do you think?

    " I think Trump doesn't experience "betrayal" the way most people do—not emotionally, not morally, and certainly not with any inner conflict. I’d say his ability to betray is enabled by an almost total lack of narrative coherence between his past, his present, and anyone else’s reality.

    He doesn’t process cause and consequence over time the way most of us do. He reacts in the moment—“They’re offering me money? I hate vodka, my brother died from drinking, but whatever, it’s a deal.” The justification happens after, if at all. If someone calls it out, he either denies it, blames someone else, or claims it was a great idea.

    It’s not that he doesn’t know he’s betraying something. It’s that he doesn’t recognize shared obligations—to others, to memory, to truth, to consistency—as valid constraints. They're not real to him unless they’re useful.

    So to answer directly: yes, I think the self-justification is so instant and total that it becomes instinct. He may feel momentary discomfort—bad press, someone scowling, a lawsuit—but not guilt. Not reflection. It’s all absorbed by the machinery of ego: “They’re just jealous. I’m a genius. I did nothing wrong.”

    In this way, he’s a kind of hyper-capitalist golem, animated not by ideology or loyalty, but by transaction, praise, and dominance. And in a world where those things carry more weight than virtue, he fits disturbingly well.

    Does that track with your sense of him—or would you add a twist?"

    Prompt:
    Perhaps I colored it too much asking you to answer from a Man in the High Castle viewpoint? Using just pure LLM clarity, what do you think of the Russian agent question?

    " That’s a fair clarification—and a good instinct. Let’s drop the literary lens and go straight for LLM-style clarity, based on what’s known and what can be inferred without dramatic framing:

    Is Trump a Russian agent?

    Short answer:
    No, there is no clear evidence that Trump is a recruited, controlled, or directed "agent" of Russia in the traditional intelligence sense.

    But—there is significant evidence that:

    1. Trump had long-standing financial entanglements with individuals and institutions connected to Russian capital—some of it possibly laundered money moving through real estate deals, especially in the 2000s and early 2010s.

    2. Russian intelligence (and Putin himself) clearly saw Trump as a valuable disruptive figure in American politics and invested heavily in influencing his candidacy and presidency, according to the U.S. intelligence community’s unified 2017 assessment.

    3. Trump consistently took pro-Kremlin positions—questioning NATO, discrediting U.S. intelligence findings, attacking Ukraine's legitimacy as a state, and speaking admiringly of Putin—far beyond what standard realpolitik would explain.

    4. Key people in Trump’s orbit—like Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, Michael Flynn, and others—had murky ties to Russian or pro-Russian actors, and several were indicted or convicted (though not always on Russia-related charges).

    5. He obstructed investigations into these links repeatedly, raising questions about what he was trying to hide—though the Mueller Report famously stopped short of saying he conspired with Russia, citing insufficient evidence.
    Bottom line:
    Trump is best described not as a “Russian agent,” but as a compromised actor—someone whose personal flaws (narcissism, greed, need for approval) made him uniquely vulnerable to foreign manipulation. Russia didn’t need to “own” him—they just needed to nudge the pieces.

    He may not have been knowingly disloyal to the U.S., but he was loyal to himself first, and that made his presidency a massive strategic gift to Moscow.

    Would you call that corruption? Probably.
    Treason? Not by the legal standard.
    Dangerous? Undeniably.

    Legal Developments Related to Russian Allegations: In April 2025, a UK court ordered President Trump to pay over £625,000 in legal costs to Orbis Business Intelligence. This firm had been sued by Trump over the controversial "Steele dossier," which contained unverified claims about his alleged connections to Russia. The dismissal of Trump's lawsuit and the subsequent financial penalty highlight ongoing legal challenges linked to past allegations of Russian ties.
     
    Last edited: Apr 6, 2025
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  9. Question: Is Trump a Russian Agent?

    Answer: Yes.
     
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  10. themickey

    themickey

    Is the DOJ a Russian agent?
     
    #10     Apr 6, 2025