Is shorting illogical?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by nxt7, Apr 26, 2016.

  1. nxt7

    nxt7

    Why would people want to sell their assets and investments in a perceived incoming recession thereby making everyone's portfolio values go down? It seems rather counterintuitive as then everyone would be worse off making the recession longer. So isn't it more logical to just hold their portfolios at their inflated values and then start buying again until economic conditions are more favorable?
     
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  2. cvds16

    cvds16

    wow, you have a lot to learn ... I don't know where to even begin ...
     
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  3. nxt7

    nxt7

    can begin from the start...?
     
  4. cvds16

    cvds16

    there is no direct link between recession and the value of stocks ....
    if stocks go down it makes sense to sell them and buy them back cheaper ...
    going short is taking the above just a notch further ...
     
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  5. nxt7

    nxt7

    But don't most troughs/dips in major indices correspond with recessions?
     
  6. cvds16

    cvds16

    nope
     
  7. Simples

    Simples

    Without shorting, stocks tend to become more overvalued, since people can only sell stocks they've already bought. With naked shorting, people can bet on return to mean on the downside, thus depressing long-trends and allowing improvements on price discovery mechanisms in the market. General consensus seems to be it's a means to avoid too large bubbles as you provide tools to "invest"/bet to the downside as well.

    Good question. We can't all know everything, and I know I know very little. This is the kind of stuff you read once, and then just remember it. Might be inaccurate, though sounds logical and markets generally seem more mean-reverting now than decades before.

    Think of it as removing some of the pyramiding effects of stock-manias. However, if the market tanks too much, regulators might freeze shorts or start seizing assets. I don't think you get infinite money if stock goes to 0 either. It'll probably hurt too.. So shorting is more short-term, risikier and faster than long. Due to liquidity-reasons, most brokers probably offer shorts naked when offered upfront.

    Btw, any logic can be made illogical.
     
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  8. wartrace

    wartrace

    Markets are just a two way auction. It is no more "illogical" to go long as it is to go short. The market moves to where participants agree on value.
     
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  9. qxr1011

    qxr1011

    when people short they do not sell their assets, they sell borrowed assets

    also , on the market every man for himself, so who cares for the other guy's portfolio or for the rest of the world for that matter, if one can make a profit shorting

    and finally, all shorts must be covered eventually, so at some point buying will start

    but there is a line of thought among some governments to forbid short selling or even selling at all, in period of falling markets,,, what can i say - communists :)
     
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  10. zdreg

    zdreg

    why would I give an iota/damn about other people's portfolios losing value?
     
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    #10     Apr 26, 2016