If liberals insist that only fascists will defend borders, voters will hire fascists to do the job

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Poindexter, Oct 23, 2018.

  1. Poindexter

    Poindexter

    The Caravan Is a Challenge to the Integrity of U.S. Borders
    If Trump’s opponents stand opposed to policing America’s boundaries, they will not help immigrants—they will only lose votes.
    10:32 AM ET
    David Frum
    Staff writer at The Atlantic

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    Short of an election-eve exoneration by Robert Mueller, it would be hard to imagine a nicer October surprise for Donald Trump than an attempt by thousands of unauthorized immigrants to force the borders of the United States. It dramatizes every one of his themes, but none more spectacularly than this: his claim that his opponents will not defend the borders of the United States.

    On Sunday, some thousands of people rafted across the Suchiate River, which separates Guatemala from Mexico. Mexico did not detain or expel them, and soon they were on the move again. Organizers seem to hope that the unprecedented mass of the caravan will overawe Mexican and U.S. authorities.

    What it is also doing is testing the U.S. political system.

    Just as Donald Trump has energized American conservatives to take a harder line on immigration, he’s had the opposite effect on his political opponents. It is, of course, crazy for the president to describe the caravan as “led” by Democrats, as he did in a tweet last week. But he’s not wrong to sense that Democrats are massively discomfited by the caravan. Trump’s tweeting and fulminating and conspiracizing deters any Democratic leader from saying or doing anything that could be interpreted as agreeing with him.

    Meanwhile, in the Democrats’ liberal base, the mood toward the caravan is positively sympathetic. The caravan’s slogan, “People without borders,” chimes with the rising sentiment among liberals that border-enforcement is inherently illegitimate, and usually racist, too.

    But understand what’s at stake: The theory behind the caravans—this latest, and its smaller predecessors over the past 15 years—is that Central Americans have valid asylum claims in the United States because of the pervasive underemployment and gang-violence problems in their countries. If that claim is true, that is a claim shared not only among the thousands in the current caravan, but the millions back home. A 2013 Pew survey found that 58 percent of Salvadorans would move to the United States if they could. The seven countries of Central America together have a population of some 45 million, or about the same as Mexico’s back in 1970, when the mass migration from that nation began.

    Things happen much faster in the 2010s than they did in the 1970s. When Germany temporarily suspended its border rules in August 2015, almost a million migrants surged into the country within the next four months. That surge continued into 2016. Its political effects linger still: It was crucial to the British vote to quit the European Union, to the election of a reactionary government in Poland, to the political revival of Viktor Orbán in Hungary, and to the collapse of center-left parties in France, Italy, Sweden, and Germany.

    Trump’s election owes something to the surge across the U.S.’s southern border in the summer of 2014. Tens of thousands of women and children crossed the border in only a few weeks. Many of those who entered in 2014 remain in the United States to this day, even after their cases have been negatively adjudicated, because they have disregarded their removal orders and vanished into the vast U.S. population of unauthorized immigrants.

    The strong U.S. job market is again attracting low-wage workers. After a dip in 2017, illegal crossings of the southern border in 2018 have returned to their levels of 2016—and are running well ahead of 2015. If the thousands of people in the caravan successfully cross the border, lodge asylum claims, and are released into the U.S. interior pending adjudication, many more seem likely to follow.

    Why wouldn’t they? More than 60 percent of the population of Honduras lives in poverty, according to the World Bank, and very nearly 60 percent do so in Guatemala. While rates of crime and violence have declined in both countries since 2014, they remain appalling by world standards.

    For Trump, the caravan represents a political opportunity. Here is exactly the kind of issue that excites more conservative Americans—and empowers him as their blustery, angry champion.

    For Trump’s opponents, the caravan represents a trap. Has Trump’s radical nativism so counter-radicalized them that they have internalized the caravan message against any border enforcement at all? If yes, they will not help immigrants. They will only marginalize themselves—and American politics will follow the European path in which anti-immigration parties of the extreme right cannibalize the political center.

    If liberals insist that only fascists will defend borders, then voters will hire fascists to do the job liberals will not do. I’ve been pounding the drum for this warning since the European migration crisis accelerated in 2013. The warning holds as true as ever—and now it’s coming home.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...s-integrity-us-borders/573691/?utm_source=twb

     
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  2. Interesting column. He skirts around conceding that people who expect immigration laws and the border to be respected have a valid case. It's just that there are enough of them that they elected Trump on this very issue. So dems either get on board or see someone who will make Trump look like Nelson Mandela get elected.

    Dems are engaged in one of their suspension of reality phases. They have painted themselves into the corner of supporting this sort of thing and calling for the abolishment of ICE. That wins in San Franciso and Portland maybe but not too many other places.
     
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  3. A Jew promotes an article that says there is no alternative solution but to allow fascism take over.

    Shame.

    It is a pity perhaps that Poindexter's parents or grandparents were not gassed by the fascists as this level of stupid needs to be put in the past. None of that should have happened but if they were going to kill people as hey, what choice did they have, Germany was overrun by Jews just like the South Americans eh? (or was it a clever twisting of proportion) They might have got the bad seed ones at least.

    The only saving grace is that retards like Pointy are just retards and monsters like Stephen Miller have been denounced as evil shits by the family and rabbi.

    It is UNACCEPTABLE that even some American Jews fiddle while the US burns in a metaphorical Reichstag fire of shitehawk propaganda.

    Investigate the root causes for the problems in Honduras before the man in the high castle becomes real in the USA. It was American fucking about you can be certain in a large part.
     
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  4. Don't get me wrong. Scott is still far preferable to Nelson. The governor's race is interesting too. Hard to believe Gillum is competitive. An incompetent radical with criminal ties, rich white libs support him on the basis of his race as their duty, no matter how destructive his administration would be for them.
     
  5. Poindexter

    Poindexter

    Impotent rage from the impotent 300+ pound blob in Colombia, seen here in a live shot losing bladder and bowel control after reading this article. :D

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