I was wrong on climate change. Why can’t other conservatives admit it, too?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by exGOPer, Nov 27, 2018.

  1. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    I admit it. I used to be a climate-change skeptic. I was one of those conservatives who thought that the science was inconclusive, that fears of global warming were as overblown as fears of a new ice age in the 1970s, that climate change was natural and cyclical, and that there was no need to incur any economic costs to deal with this speculative threat. I no longer think any of that, because the scientific consensus is so clear and convincing.

    The Fourth National Climate Assessment, released Friday by the U.S. government, puts it starkly: “Observations collected around the world provide significant, clear, and compelling evidence that global average temperature is much higher, and is rising more rapidly, than anything modern civilization has experienced, with widespread and growing impacts.” The report notes that “annual average temperatures have increased by 1.8°F across the contiguous United States since the beginning of the 20th century” and that “annual median sea level along the U.S. coast . . . has increased by about 9 inches since the early 20th century as oceans have warmed and land ice has melted.”

    The report attributes these changes to man-made greenhouse gases and warns: “High temperature extremes, heavy precipitation events, high tide flooding events along the U.S. coastline, ocean acidification and warming, and forest fires in the western United States and Alaska are all projected to continue to increase, while land and sea ice cover, snowpack, and surface soil moisture are expected to continue to decline in the coming decades.”

    The U.S. government warnings echo the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. In October, it released a report that represented the work of 91 scientists from 60 countries. It describes, in the words of the New York Times, “a world of worsening food shortages and wildfires, and a mass die-off of coral reefs as soon as 2040.”

    The wildfires are already here. The Camp Fire blaze this month is the most destructive in California history, charring 153,000 acres, destroying nearly 19,000 structures, and killing at least 85 people. The second-most destructive fire in California history was the one last year in Napa and Sonoma counties. The Yale School of Forestry and Environmental Studies notes that climate change has contributed to these conflagrations by shortening the rainy season, drying out vegetation and whipping up Santa Ana winds. Massive hurricanes are increasing along with wildfires — and they too are influenced by climate change.

    It’s time to sound the planetary alarm. This is likely to be the fourth-hottest year on record. The record-holder is 2016, followed by 2015 and 2017. A climate change website notes that “the five warmest years in the global record have all come in the 2010s” and “the 10 warmest years on record have all come since 1998.”

    Imagine if these figures reflected a rise in terrorism — or illegal immigration. Republicans would be freaking out. Yet they are oddly blasé about this climate code red. President Trump, whose minions buried the climate-change report on the day after Thanksgiving, told Axios: “Is there climate change? Yeah. Will it go back like this, I mean will it change back? Probably.” And, amid a recent cold snap, he tweeted: “Brutal and Extended Cold Blast could shatter ALL RECORDS - Whatever happened to Global Warming?”

    By this point, no one should be surprised that the president can’t tell the difference between short-term weather fluctuations and long-term climate trends. At least he didn’t repeat his crazy suggestion that climate change is a Chinese hoax. Yet his denialism is echoed by other Republicans who should know better. Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa) told CNN on Sunday: “Our climate always changes and we see those ebb and flows through time. . . . We need to always consider the impact to American industry and jobs.”

    We do need to consider the impact on U.S. jobs — but that’s an argument for action rather than, as Ernst suggests, inaction. The National Climate Assessment warns that global warming could cause a 10 percent decline in gross domestic product and that the “potential for losses in some sectors could reach hundreds of billions of dollars per year by the end of this century.” Iowa and other farm states will be particularly hard hitas crops wilt and livestock die.

    Compared with the crushing costs of climate change, the action needed to curb greenhouse-gas emissions is modest and manageable — if we act now. Jerry Taylor, president of the libertarian Niskanen Center, estimatesthat a carbon tax would increase average electricity rates from 17 cents to 18 cents per kilowatt-hour. The average household, he writes, would see spending on energy rise “only about $35 per month.” That’s not nothing — but it’s better than allowing climate change to continue unabated.

    I’ve owned up to the danger. Why haven’t other conservatives? They are captives, first and foremost, of the fossil fuel industry, which outspent green groups 10 to 1 in lobbying on climate change from 2000 to 2016. But they are also captives of their own rigid ideology. It is a tragedy for the entire planet that the United States’ governing party is impervious to science and reason.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.accce67db255
     
  2. Bares repeating...

    I’ve owned up to the danger. Why haven’t other conservatives? They are captives, first and foremost, of the fossil fuel industry, which outspent green groups 10 to 1 in lobbying on climate change from 2000 to 2016. But they are also captives of their own rigid ideology. It is a tragedy for the entire planet that the United States’ governing party is impervious to science and reason.
     
  3. TJustice

    TJustice

    Where is the science? Who the hell is the author of that article?
    Another fake inside the beltway "conservative" perhaps.
    Why would anyone care what he thinks.

    Only a moron would argue fires which have been going on for centuries in CA on global warming. Fire danger in general comes from very wet springs.

    Just a few years ago the nutters here in CA were blaming the drought on climate change.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Boot


    In an opinion piece for Foreign Policy in September 2017, Max Boot outlines his political views as follows: "I am socially liberal: I am pro-LGBTQ rights, pro-abortion rights, pro-immigration. I am fiscally conservative: I think we need to reduce the deficit and get entitlement spending under control. I am pro-environment: I think that climate change is a major threat that we need to address. I am pro-free trade: I think we should be concluding new trade treaties rather than pulling out of old ones. I am strong on defense: I think we need to beef up our military to cope with multiple enemies. And I am very much in favor of America acting as a world leader: I believe it is in our own self-interest to promote and defend freedom and free markets as we have been doing in one form or another since at least 1898."[38]

    In December 2017, also in Foreign Policy, Boot wrote that recent events—particularly since the 2016 election of Donald Trump as president—had caused him to rethink some of his previous views concerning the existence of white privilege and male privilege. "In the last few years, in particular, it has become impossible for me to deny the reality of discrimination, harassment, even violence that people of color and women continue to experience in modern-day America from a power structure that remains for the most part in the hands of straight, white males. People like me, in other words. Whether I realize it or not, I have benefitted from my skin color and my gender—and those of a different gender or sexuality or skin color have suffered because of it."[39]



     
  4. They are captives, first and foremost, of the fossil fuel industry, which outspent green groups 10 to 1 in lobbying on climate change from 2000 to 2016. But they are also captives of their own rigid ideology. It is a tragedy for the entire planet that the United States’ governing party is impervious to science and reason.

    Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources.

    https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

     
  5. TJustice

    TJustice

    What a joke that crap is.

    Acting like science is about consensus is very close to Soviet style propaganda.
    Consensus means crap. You have to be able to replicate the studies or the experiments. There no science at the moment showing man made Co2 causing warming. So you certainly can't repeat it. Models are just thoughts. Models are not science.



    Finally, you have to understand many of the leaders in the fossil fuel industry support agw theory because as cronies they understand they would gain competitive advantage by having carbon exchanges. So your critique is mindless.


     
  6. kingjelly

    kingjelly

    John Tyndall proved CO2 was greenhouse gas in the 1800s, that is settle science. Yes water vapor is too, among other things. You seem to argue that because it's not the ONLY cause we shouldn't do anything about it, typical conservative thinking.
     
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  7. wildchild

    wildchild

    Why do you pollute?
     
  8. Yep, the climate changes. No shit. It's been changing for eons, long before any human being stood upright. Explain all of the many changes, some of them catastrophic, that happened before and smokestacks spewed shit into the atmosphere. Once again, leftists pretend that everything was perfect before a certain date they decide to pick to push whatever narrative they're pushing.
     
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  9. LS1Z28

    LS1Z28

    Back when I was young, they predicted that coastal cities like NYC & Miami would be under water by the year 2000. Then they changed the terminology from global warming to climate change because the average temperature didn't change much for about a decade. Then Al Gore and others predicted the polar ice caps would melt and disappear within 5 years. 5 years later there was more ice than when they made the prediction.

    The world has been around for a long time. There has been evidence of climate change throughout the history of the world despite the fact that the human footprint was virtually non-existent prior to the last few centuries. We only have sophisticated climate data for the past 150-200 years. That data set is only a tiny snapshot in the history of the world. It's no wonder that most of the predictions regarding climate change have been wrong.

    I don't deny climate change. I don't deny that the human footprint affects climate change. It would be naive to believe that we don't affect the climate. But I don't think anyone really knows how much we affect the climate, or what's going to happen in the future.
     
  10. conservatives vs. earth
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    #10     Nov 27, 2018
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