I Believe Juanita

Discussion in 'Politics' started by wildchild, Nov 17, 2017.

  1. wildchild

    wildchild

    Why now is the New York Slimes going after the Clintons? Anyone care to venture a guess?

    To me the answer is crystal clear.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/13/opinion/juanita-broaddrick-bill-clinton.html

    On Friday evening the MSNBC host Chris Hayes sent out a tweet that electrified online conservatives: “As gross and cynical and hypocritical as the right’s ‘what about Bill Clinton’ stuff is, it’s also true that Democrats and the center left are overdue for a real reckoning with the allegations against him.” Hayes’s tweet inspired stories on Glenn Beck’s The Blaze, Breitbart and The Daily Caller, all apparently eager to use the Clinton scandals to derail discussions about Roy Moore, the Republican nominee for the United States Senate in Alabama who is accused of sexually assaulting minors.

    Yet despite the right’s evident bad faith, I agree with Hayes. In this #MeToo moment, when we’re reassessing decades of male misbehavior and turning open secrets into exposes, we should look clearly at the credible evidence that Juanita Broaddrick told the truth when she accused Clinton of raping her. But revisiting the Clinton scandals in light of today’s politics is complicated as well as painful. Democrats are guilty of apologizing for Clinton when they shouldn’t have. At the same time, looking back at the smear campaign against the Clintons shows we can’t treat the feminist injunction to “believe women” as absolute.

    Writing at Crooked.com, Brian Beutler warns that in future elections, right-wing propaganda will exploit the progressive commitment to always taking sexual abuse charges seriously. It’s easy to imagine an outlet like Breitbart leveraging the “believe women” rallying cry to force mainstream media coverage of dubious accusations.

    The Clinton years, in which epistemological warfare emerged as a key part of the Republican political arsenal, show us why we should be wary of allegations that bubble up from the right-wing press. At the time, the reactionary billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife was bankrolling the Arkansas Project, which David Brock, the former right-wing journalist who played a major role in it, described as a “multimillion-dollar dirty tricks operation against the Clintons.” Various figures in conservative media accused Bill Clinton of murder, drug-running and using state troopers as pimps. Brock alleges that right-wing figures funneled money to some of Clinton’s accusers.

    In this environment, it would have been absurd to take accusations of assault and harassment made against Clinton at face value. On Monday, Caitlin Flanagan, perhaps taking up Hayes’s challenge, urged liberals to remember some of what Clinton is said to have done. “Kathleen Willey said that she met him in the Oval Office for personal and professional advice and that he groped her, rubbed his erect penis on her, and pushed her hand to his crotch,” Flanagan wrote, recalling the charges Willey first made in 1998. It sounds both familiar and plausible. But Willey also accused the Clintons of having her husband and then her cat killed. Must we believe that, too?

    Similarly, there are reasons to be at least unsure about Paula Jones’s claim that Clinton exposed himself to her and demanded oral sex. Jones was championed by people engaged in what Ann Coulter once proudly called “a small, intricately knit right-wing conspiracy” to bring down the president. She described “distinguishing characteristics” of Clinton’s penis that turned out to be inaccurate. Her sister insisted to Sidney Blumenthal, then a New Yorker writer, that she was lying. Should feminists have backed her anyway? I’m still not sure, but the evidence was less definitive than that against Harvey Weinstein, Trump or Moore.


    Of the Clinton accusers, the one who haunts me is Broaddrick. The story she tells about Clinton recalls those we’ve heard about Weinstein. She claimed they had plans to meet in a hotel coffee shop, but at the last minute he asked to come up to her hotel room instead, where he raped her. Five witnesses said she confided in them about the assault right after it happened. It’s true that she denied the rape in an affidavit to Paula Jones’s lawyers, before changing her story when talking to federal investigators. But her explanation, that she didn’t want to go public but couldn’t lie to the F.B.I., makes sense. Put simply, I believe her.

    What to do with that belief? Contemplating this history is excruciating in part because of the way it has been weaponized against Hillary Clinton. Broaddrick sees her as complicit, interpreting something Hillary once said to her at a political event — “I want you to know that we appreciate everything you do for Bill” — as a veiled threat instead of a rote greeting. This seems wildly unlikely; Broaddrick was decades away from going public, and most reporting about the Clinton marriage shows Bill going to great lengths to hide his betrayals. Nevertheless, one of the sick ironies of the 2016 campaign was that it was Hillary who had to pay the political price for Bill’s misdeeds, as they were trotted out to deflect attention from Trump’s well-documented transgressions.

    And now they’re being trotted out again. It’s fair to conclude that because of Broaddrick’s allegations, Bill Clinton no longer has a place in decent society. But we should remember that it’s not simply partisan tribalism that led liberals to doubt her. Discerning what might be true in a blizzard of lies isn’t easy, and the people who spread those lies don’t get to claim the moral high ground. We should err on the side of believing women, but sometimes, that belief will be used against us.
     
  2. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    Juanita Broaddrick

    Supporters of Clinton have questioned her account by noting that Broaddrick continued to support Clinton, and appear at public events on his behalf, weeks after the alleged rape, along with the fact that Broaddrick stated that she couldn't remember the exact date the alleged incident occurred.[3] In addition, Broaddrick had once signed a deposition, under oath, stating that no sexual contact had occurred with Bill Clinton; although she subsequently stated that she had made this claim because "I didn't want to be forced to testify about the most horrific event of my life."[4][5]
     


  3. Note, that Bubba testified under oath that he never had sex with Lewinsky so probably that never occurred either.

    But hey, if that is what media matters told you to go with today, then you gotta do what you gotta do. Never too late in the month to earn that extra potato in your rations, Comrade.
     
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  4. Many of those people change their mind if their wife or daughter are forced to provide them.

    No doubt in your case, if they were, you would stay with the official dnc clintonista script. Party first, family second. Extra potato, Comrade.
     
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  5. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    True but many people don't consider consensual blowjobs as having sex
     
  6. Tom B

    Tom B

    Lying Tony Stark continues to defend democrat rapists like Clinton. He can't help himself (at least that is what he tells authorities at Katy Perry concerts).
     
  7. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    In their 2000 book The Hunting of the President, Joe Conason and Gene Lyons note that the FBI investigated the allegation for Kenneth Starr's Independent Counsel office, and found the evidence "inconclusive." There are no direct witnesses and no physical evidence to back up the accusation. "It’s important to note — and Broaddrick concedes — that aside from her, there are no witnesses and as far as we know, no one saw Clinton enter or leave Broaddrick’s room, or even the hotel," Myers said in the NBC broadcast. "She took no photos, kept no evidence and the hotel has no records to confirm that she stayed there."
     

  8. The tards are a confused bunch this week. They are getting mixed messages from the Motherships. One ship is sending a signal that it is time to pull the plug on the Clinton machine. Another ship is saying that they should dig in and fight to the finish, Bhagdad Bob style. Clearly a chain of command problem out there on the Hale Bopp Comet. The roboposters are examples of what happens in such instances. Those on the front lines just wander dazed, like deer in the headlights.
     
  9. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Clintons are of no use to the left morlibons anymore. They are being discarded.
     
  10. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    Broaddrick does not know the date Clinton raped her.

    The hotel has no records of her staying at the hotel she was supposedly raped.

    Nobody at the hotel where Broaddrick was supposedly raped saw her or Clinton there.

    Broaddrick publicly supported Clinton after he supposedly raped her.

    Broaddrick stated under oath Clinton did not rape her.

    Republicans believe Juanita though.Trump admits to kissing and pussy grabbing without waiting but republicans don't the believe the women who said he did that to them.
     
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    #10     Nov 17, 2017