How does this make any sense?

Discussion in 'Options' started by WXYGUY, Oct 2, 2024.

  1. WXYGUY

    WXYGUY

    If you look at CONY he sold -1 put option expiring in Jan17 2025 30 strike put for $1500. That works out to about 1500/4=$375 per month, but he is going to be assigned so will be buying the stock @ $30...and then will be out of range so sell calls (which he doesn't anyway) but now you have an avg cost of 30*100=3000-1500=1500/100=$15.

    Why not just buy 300 CONY and collect $312 per month and have an avg cost of $12.49 or dividend adjusted at $8.33? (300*12.49=3747-(4*312)=2499/300=8.33??

     
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  2. TheDawn

    TheDawn

    What he's created is a synthetic short put with all of the stock and options positions combined. He's basically selling a naked put, basically cutting his profit short when the stock takes off but still facing all of the downside risk when the stock tanks. The problem is with the short call. It doesn't really protect the stock if and when it tanks but cuts the profit short.
     
  3. BKR88

    BKR88

    Sold ONE put for $15 so collected ~$5 ($500) in extrinsic value with stock at ~$20.
    Buying 100 shares and collecting $104 per month over 4 months = ~$400.
    His method collected $500 while your method collected $400 AND his method uses less margin.
    ***These numbers are ballpark.
     
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  4. mervyn

    mervyn

    no way he can sell coin put for 1.5k premium with 1 contract
     
  5. WXYGUY

    WXYGUY

    It shows on the screen he collected $1500 for the CONY 30 put. So he will own CONY for (30*100-1500) = $15 -$12.49 = 2.51
    So he loses $251 on the position at the current price. That probably explains all the red on the right of the screen...

    So it doesn't seem worth all the trouble...especially because these stocks are derivatives of the underlyings, and have low liquidity and huge spreads.

    I don't think these high yield stocks give any margin..at least not at my bank.
     
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  6. WXYGUY

    WXYGUY

    He sold deep itm.
     
  7. mervyn

    mervyn

    for puts, more deep imt the cheaper it is priced at.

    30 bucks put delta is zero i would imagine. maybe he sold the put long time ago, like last year, a big maybe

    on the flip side of the coin, if he buys calls on coin, he makes lot more money.
     
  8. poopy

    poopy

    Shares are currently 12.6 bid. The Jan synthetic is trading 10.65. The youtuber is a moron.

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  9. BKR88

    BKR88

    Selling the 17 Put gets it bought for ~$9.85 though ........ IF it gets filled at mid(7.15).
    ***Current price 12.54
    ***18 Put for ~$9.90 at mid
     
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  10. WXYGUY

    WXYGUY

     
    #10     Oct 2, 2024