How can a contract move with volumes of 0?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by trader221, Sep 2, 2021.

  1. How can a contract move with volumes of 0?

    Okay, I had learned that the volume of buyers vs sellers make the movement of an asset.
    However, on a future contract like BIO (E-MINI NASDAQ BIOTECHNOLOGY) varies enormously while the volumes are at 0.

    What brings me to the conclusion that a derivative like the future follows its underlying regardless of the volume quoted long or short?
    Am I wrong ?
     
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  2. H2O

    H2O

  3. A quoted price does not need volume. I.e., you can have a price without volume. But you can't have volume without a price.
     
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  4. maxinger

    maxinger

    ie price will be displayed with and without volume.


    how about no quoted price & no volume?
     
  5. Last TRADED price cannot change without volume. A trade has to be executed for a new print.

    But "quoted price", the bid and ask, can move just by placing and especially pulling orders. Thats how you get those huge gaps, especially around (economic) news announcements.
     
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  6. bone

    bone

    It's a great idea to study a futures contract exchange specifications and settlement procedures details.

    I quote:

    "If a two-sided market is not available on Globex during the closing period, then the cash index will be used in the following Carry calculation to derive a settlement price."

     
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  7. %%
    Exactly.
    Its like a real estate contract;
    any, can ask any asking price /LOL or any listing price , no volume necessary.
    Certified/ bank approved appraisers use [3 or more]comps+ are based on proven bid prices/closed prices.
    In derivatives or RE , the lower the volume , the less reliable\less accurate the price is.
    I'VE see WSJ \CA| RE one property listed @ 129 million/+ , 52 weeks later ''reduced,LOL'' to $100 million+/....................................................................................[No volume, just asking price]
     
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  8. bone

    bone

    All of these cash settled futures index contracts are going to be based on an analog market which provides a fair settlement procedure (in this case, an equity market NASDAQ licensed Index).
     
  9. %%
    Partly right t221+ lets assume you looked @ 2 different data providers + got it right.OK.
    Its like the commercial /retail gasoline market.
    Thought it would be like/ T Boone Pickens climbing up the price pole + raising the bids [hurricane hydrocarbon patterns], as he did, as kid.
    BUT gasoline price stayed the same + sales+ ask price price came down in some cases.
    WMT [MUR]gives a gasoline cash discount[+gift card discount] so MUR cashprice= always cheaper than credit price; another local dealer does the same.....................................................Some auto dealers/ loggers have a 52 week+/ fuel contract, so it can vary even more.
     
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