no news in the title of the thread, but this link to dealbreaker sure gives some more details, if true... http://dealbreaker.com/2008/10/dear-investor.php#more Tontine Partners Sept 08 -59.30% YTD -66.70% Copper River Sept 08 -55.00% Tontine Capital Partners Sept 08 -38.50% YTD -31.50% (and so on, and so on). EDIT: anyone know how much cramer's action alerts is down in '08?