Goldman Sachs Options Error

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by Zr1Trader, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. NEW YORK/CHICAGO (Reuters) - A flood of erroneous trades hit U.S. equity options markets on Tuesday as they opened for business when Goldman Sachs Group (GS.N) sent orders accidentally because of a technical error, the latest trading problem to hit the options market this year.

    Major options exchanges including platforms run by CBOE Holdings (CBOE.O), Nasdaq OMX Group Inc (NDAQ.O) and NYSE Euronext (NYX.N) said they were reviewing the trades, sent in roughly the first quarter hour of trading and affecting options on shares with listing symbols beginning with the letters H through L.

    Exchanges have the option to adjust prices or nullify, or "bust," the trades if they are determined to have been made in error. NYSE Euronext's NYSE Amex Options market said it anticipates most of the trades will be canceled.

    Goldman Sachs said in a statement the firm does not face material loss or risk from the issue. The firm declined to comment further.

    A person familiar with the problem, who declined to be identified, said the cause was a computer glitch in which indications of interest in equity options were sent as actual orders to the exchanges. Some of the orders were filled, while others were not.

    Options market participants said the activity struck promptly as the market opened.

    Many of the orders on some of the options for those stocks were 1,000-contract blocks traded for $1 per contract, WhatsTrading.com options strategist Frederic Ruffy said.

    Stocks whose options saw some of the order flow included Johnson and Johnson (JNJ.N), JPMorgan Chase and Co (JPM.N) and Kellogg Co. (K.N), Ruffy said.

    Options on some exchange-traded funds, such as the iShares S&P Small Cap Fund (IFR.P), were also affected, he said.

    Potential losses could range in the millions of dollars, the source said, but it was unclear just how many transactions were involved and what any final cost would be.

    "There is no real obvious way to tell how much this cost traders," said Ophir Gottlieb, managing director of options analytics firm Livevol based in San Francisco. "But the ones that are hurt the most are likely the market makers who provide liquidity and are the counter parties."

    It is another in a series of problems affecting exchanges. In April, a half-day outage at the Chicago Board Options Exchange exposed software problems that came about as it prepared to extend trading hours for futures contracts on the CBOE Volatility Index.

    CME Group Executive Chairman Terry Duffy said in an interview on CNBC that busting trades is difficult because of different rules at different exchanges. The futures exchange operator (CME.O) was not affected by Tuesday's incident.

    Nasdaq and CBOE "have to coordinate with the NYSE and the other institutions to make sure they all do the same thing because if trades stand at one institution and not at another it can be a big fallout for the participants and who gets those trades," he said.

    A year ago, a software mishap at Knight Capital Group (KCG.N) led to millions of unintended orders flooding into the market over a 45-minute period.

    (Reporting by Doris Frankel in Chicago, Caroline Valetkevitch, Rodrigo Campos and Chuck Mikolajczak in New York; Editing by Dan Burns

    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE97J0R920130820?irpc=932
     
  2. Knight's trades weren't canceled.
     
  3. Bob111

    Bob111

    +1

    obviously..if all trades are cancelled. remember what i told you(ET) long time ago-the boy with the bigger balls always win in this game.
    if you made erroneous trade-you can forget about it. your broker wouldn't even discuss it(forget about submitting the claim to exchange). but if you are GS-all trades are cancelled and there is no material loss. and based on my experience(few years ago)-they can roll back trades from WEEKS ago. yeah..weeks. you got something 'too good to be true'. you wait,then you close it-couple weeks later-bamm! screwed. been there.
     
  4. Well, I always like to tell my story of the $20 something stock I bought for 1 cent .

    Can they bust me after 12 years?

    lol
     
  5. Bob111

    Bob111

    nah....you are good to go..but I remember couple cases, that doesn't make any sense at all. where you bought the shares at some low price and then later (when stock was traded even lower) - it got busted.
     
  6. Nobody be a messin wit da vampire squid...
     
  7. LOL. Goldman is Goldman. I know it is sad but true. It is never been a level playing field nor will it ever be. I guess that is what is meant by free market capitalism.

    My question is how many more "fat finger" and computer glitch program trades is it going to take before they bring back true human interaction trading. I guess a firm like Goldman will have to blow up for that to happen and we know that will never happen.
     
  8. Wonderful example of double standards.
     
  9. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    Option exchanges have different rules than stock exchanges.

    I've been on both sides of algos run amock, they will cancel some trades and adjust the pricing of others.
     
  10. Although I hate to even try, I'll play Devil's Advocate here. GS's options trades were cancelled because they were done at "clearly erroneous" prices (is that true? I don't know but don't see how they could have been cancelled otherwise).

    Knight's disaster did not actually push most of their beyond reasonable prices, they just continually lost something pretty close to the spread on a massive amount of shares. They were all reasonable trades but added up to death by 1,000 cuts.

    It's just a thought, I actually hate what GS has gotten away with over the past 5 years.
     
    #10     Aug 21, 2013