From Tesla (the car company)

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  1. VicBee

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  2. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    On December 1, 1913, Henry Ford installs the first moving assembly line for the mass production of an entire automobile. His innovation reduced the time it took to build a car from more than 12 hours to one hour and 33 minutes.

     
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  3. VicBee

    VicBee

    Yes, that was revolutionary in its time. Subsequently there have been many improvements to the auto making process, in particular from Japan, which took manufacturing to a whole new level with Kanban at Toyota in the 1940s.
     
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  4. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    They have Kanban for EVs now:

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    It is a joke but a pretty good board game.
     
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  5. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    "The more things change ...."
     
  6. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    V-B,

    Inhale, read, exhale, react :):-

    https://www.tradestation.com/insights/2023/02/17/tesla-overvalued-comparison-gm-ford-2/

    Is Tesla Overvalued? Check Out These Stunning Comparisons to GM and Ford
    By
    David Russell
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    February 17, 2023

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    Tesla is one of the market’s most active companies for stock and options traders. It could also look most expensive by various measures, but is it overvalued?

    This article will address the question by comparing Elon Musk’s company with other major car makers. It will use common financial ratios and real-world numbers so you can make your own decision about Tesla shares.

    Metric Tesla General
    Motors
    Ford
    Motor
    Market Cap $623B $57.7B $50.7B
    Enterprise Value $607B $142B $147B
    Forward P/E 48x 6.7x 7.5x
    EBITDA $17.4B $17.8B $14.1B
    Revenue $81.5B $156.7B $158B
    Price / Revenue 8.4x 0.4x 0.4x
    Expected Revenue Growth 26% 3% -3.9%
    Cars Sold / Year 1.3M 5.9M 3.9M
    Employees 128K 167K 173K
    U.S. Dealerships 213 4,000 3,000
    Key valuation metrics comparing Tesla, General Motors and Ford Motor. Source: TradeStation data, Yahoo Finance and company reports as of February 16, 2023.
    Tesla Valuation: Market Cap
    Tesla is the most valuable automaker by far. Its market capitalization (stock price times shares outstanding) of $623 billion ranks it sixth among companies on the U.S. stock market. The electric-car company is worth almost 11 times GM and over 12 times F.

    However, TSLA has a much cleaner balance sheet because it carries less than $6 billion of debt. GM and F, in contrast, have over $110 billion of debt each. Market cap therefore understates the true financial size of GM and F.

    This is where stock market investors often use “enterprise value” to judge the size of a company.

    Enterprise Value = Market Cap + Debt - Cash
    By this measure, TSLA is worth roughly 4 times General Motors and Ford Motor.

    Tesla Valuation: Price / Earnings Ratio
    The price / earnings ratio, or P/E, is one of the most common measures of valuation in the stock market. This is simply a company’s per-share earnings divided by its stock price. Using P/E ratio, Tesla is far more expensive than other car makers like GM and Ford.

    Tesla trades for 54 times historic earnings, and 48 times estimated future earnings. That’s 6-7 times the corresponding multiples of its gasoline-powered rivals.

    Price / sales, or price / revenue, is another valuation metric. Tesla trades for 8.4 times sales, which places it in the top 15 percent of companies in the S&P 500 index. GM and F, on the other hand, trade for less than 0.5 times revenue. By this measure, Tesla is worth over 17 times more.

    Cash Flow Generation
    Aside from earnings, analysts can also use cash flow to value Tesla shares. Cash flow adjusts net income to remove accrual accounting mechanisms and gains from investing activities. Analysts can also use cash flow to compare stock prices.

    Tesla’s valuation is about 42 times cash flow by this measure. GM trades for less than 4 times cash flow and F trades for about 7 times.

    Is Tesla Overpriced?
    One major reason why Tesla is valued so much higher than its peers is growth. The electric-car maker increased its sales by 37 percent last year. Wall Street analysts anticipate another 26 percent of upside this year.

    GM’s sales rose 28 percent last year, while F shrank by 17 percent. They’re both expected to grow less than 4 percent in 2023.

    Tesla Valuation: Stores and Units
    Investors can also use non-financial measures to compare Tesla with other car makers. How many cars does it sell? How many locations does it have to reach customers?

    By this measure TSLA is also much more expensive than peers. It operates only 213 physical stores in the U.S. That’s about 1/19th of GM’s footprint and 1/14th of F’s reach.

    2022 Change YTD Change
    Tesla -65% +64%
    General Motors -43% +28%
    Ford Motor -44% +18%
    Stock price changes as of February 16, 2023, according to TradeStation data.
    TSLA overcomes part of this with a strong online sales model. However, it may create a potential risk over time. Traditional auto makers have much wider distribution and marketing networks across the country. This could let them get in front of a lot more customers very quickly once they start rolling out more electric models.

    In conclusion, Tesla shares have high valuations based on measures like P/E ratio and price/sales. This mostly results from its strong growth versus traditional automakers like GM and F. Tesla fell more in 2022 but is now rebounding more sharply this year.
     
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    NOT long or short Ford but they are one of the few car co that never went bankrupt;
    + today + 3 year chart on Ford is much better than GM, havent looked @ RACE todayLOL.
     
  8. VicBee

    VicBee

    Do GM or F make grid size batteries as a complementary business? Do they make any batteries?
     
  9. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Same answer to question whether TSLA has dealerships umm sorry "stores" in every state.

    Just had to find something to question in another article that is ... favorable.
     
  10. VicBee

    VicBee

    Dealerships?! Yuck... F and GM are trying and failing to get rid of theirs. Why would Tesla be saddled with those when they can sell direct? Another reason they'll never get Tesla margins.
     
    #10     Feb 28, 2023