France doesn't allow mail-in voting

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Buy1Sell2, Oct 15, 2022.

  1. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/57152/why-isnt-mail-in-voting-allowed-in-france
    France allowed mail-in voting from 1958 to 1975. It was replaced by proxy voting by law 75-1239 in December 1975. The reasons given at the time to get rid of mail-in voting are the same reasons not to reintroduce it today, namely, that it can and did permit significant fraud.

    Mail-in voting offers opportunities for fraud
    A major difficulty in organizing political voting is that no single person or organization is trusted to tally and report votes sincerely. A trustworthy voting process must make any attempt at tampering evident. This is very difficult with mail-in voting because the chain of custody is long.

    The voting process in France ensures that every point of the chain of custody of votes and vote tallies is verified by multiple people, and any voter is authorized to observe it. Voting is done with paper ballots which the voter places in a transparent ballot box, which never leaves the polling station. Any voter who is registered in the same municipality can observe both the voting (which takes place over a single day) and the tallying at the polling station. Fraud at this stage requires controlling or intimidating all would-be observers, which is a high threshold. The threshold for polling-station fraud over mail-in votes is a lot lower. It is impractical to verify that the mail received over the course of days or even weeks was kept securely, that none of it was thrown away and that extra votes are not added.

    It is also more difficult to prevent impersonation with mailed-in votes. At best, casting a mail-in vote on behalf of someone else requires the knowledge of some secret code that was mailed to the voter, and of the voter's signature. Both of these are very easy to do for the entity that organizes the vote. Other would-be fraudsters need to intercept mail, which is a higher threshold, but less high than impersonating someone who is supposed to be physically present.

    Another difficulty with mail-in voting is that it makes coercion and vote selling easy. Even if it was possible to validate the chain of custody of the ballot after it was filled by the voter, remote voting makes it impossible to verify that the voter could cast their vote confidentially.
     
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  2. notagain

    notagain

    After the Dems lose the election they'll accuse the Republicans of cheating, co-opted Judges will agree.
    Republicans are avoiding early voting this election, making it harder for Dems to cheat "exactly".
    There will be very long lines to vote on Election Day.
     
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  3. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    The worm is beginning to turn---

    U.S. Supreme Court backs Republican in Pennsylvania ballots case
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/u...ican-in-pennsylvania-ballots-case/ar-AA12PX8T
    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday sided with an unsuccessful Republican candidate for a judgeship in Pennsylvania and threw out a lower court's ruling that had allowed the counting of mail-in ballots in the race that he had sought to exclude because voters neglected to write the date on them.


    The justices vacated the ruling by the Philadelphia-based 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals as requested by David Ritter, who lost his 2021 bid for a spot on the Lehigh County Court of Common Pleas to a Democratic rival by five votes after 257 absentee ballots without date notations were counted.

    The high court's action means that the 3rd Circuit ruling cannot be used as a precedent in the three states covered by this regional federal appellate court - Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Delaware - to allow the counting of ballots with minor flaws such as the voter failing to fill in the date. Vacating the ruling does not change Ritter's loss in his race.
     
  4. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    Typical whining fan fiction by another MAGAtard who has a hard time accepting any reality that goes against the rightwing echo chamber narrative.

    Whatever happened to all those audits and investigations by Republicans into the 2020 elections?

    LOL
     
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  5. Innervoice

    Innervoice

    Mail in voting should never be allowed.
     
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  6. Go live in France. Problem solved.
     
  7. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Confessions of a voter fraud: I was a master at fixing mail-in ballots
    https://nypost.com/2020/08/29/political-insider-explains-voter-fraud-with-mail-in-ballots/
    A top Democratic operative says voter fraud, especially with mail-in ballots, is no myth. And he knows this because he’s been doing it, on a grand scale, for decades.
    The whisteblower — whose identity, rap sheet and long history working as a consultant to various campaigns were confirmed by The Post — says he not only changed ballots himself over the years, but led teams of fraudsters and mentored at least 20 operatives in New Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania — a critical 2020 swing state.
    “There is no race in New Jersey — from city council to United States Senate — that we haven’t worked on,” the tipster said.
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    He would have his operatives fan out, going house to house, convincing voters to let them mail completed ballots on their behalf as a public service. The fraudster and his minions would then take the sealed envelopes home and hold them over boiling water.

    “You have to steam it to loosen the glue,” said the insider.

    He then would remove the real ballot, place the counterfeit ballot inside the signed certificate, and reseal the envelope.
     
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  8. An anonymous source. How cute is that?

    https://www.factcheck.org/issue/voter-fraud/
     
  9. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    New Peer-Reviewed Research Finds Evidence of 2020 Voter Fraud

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...nds_evidence_of_2020_voter_fraud_147378.html#!
    By a margin of 52% to 40%, voters believe that “cheating affected the outcome of the 2020 U.S. presidential election.” That’s per a Rasmussen Reports survey from this month. This stands in stark contrast to the countless news stories editorializing about “no evidence of voter fraud” and “the myth of voter fraud.”

    It isn’t just Republicans who believe this cheating occurred. Even 34% of Democrats believe it, as do 38% of those who “somewhat” support President Biden. A broad range of Americans think this: men, women, all age groups, whites, those who are neither white nor black, Republicans, those who are neither Republicans nor Democrats, all job categories, all income groups except those making over $200,000 per year, and all education groups except those who attended graduate school.

    And with good reason. New research of mine is forthcoming in the peer-reviewed economics journal Public Choice, and it finds evidence of around 255,000 excess votes (possibly as many as 368,000) for Joe Biden in six swing states where Donald Trump lodged accusations of fraud. Biden only carried these states – Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin – by a total of 313,253 votes. Excluding Michigan, the gap was 159,065.
     
  10. Nuff said.

    Next?
     
    #10     Oct 20, 2022