Remember the dumb hydroxychloroquine cultists... https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/for-the-dumb-hydroxychloroquine-cultists.348140/ They merely have moved on to Ivermectin... Some people are taking an anti-parasitic to treat COVID. Here’s why that’s a bad idea https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article253290108.html Some people itching to get their hands on a COVID-19 cure are putting themselves in danger for taking unprescribed doses of ivermectin, an anti-parasitic drug used to treat diseases such as river blindness or scabies in people and prevent heartworm disease and other infestations in animals. The drug has been flying off the shelves of farm supply stores and veterinary offices as people, mostly those who refuse to get vaccinated, search for unconventional ways out of the pandemic. Yet, several federal and international health agencies, including the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, the National Institutes of Health and the World Health Organization, have advised against using ivermectin to treat or prevent COVID-19 outside of controlled clinical trials. That’s because taking large unprescribed doses intended for animals can seriously harm your health. “Let’s say it was manufactured for a large horse, but a human takes it, it can create low blood pressure, rapid heart rates, seizures; there are even episodes where you can see layers of your skin fall off. It can damage the liver, and there’s vision loss that can be associated,” Dr. Shane Speights, site dean at the New York Institute of Technology College of Osteopathic Medicine, told KAIT8. “Data is just not good on ivermectin right now for the treatment of COVID. One of the drug manufacturers even said don’t use it,” Speights told the outlet. “Right now, the only answer to COVID is to be fully vaccinated.” What do studies reveal about ivermectin and COVID-19? Misconceptions about the drug’s coronavirus healing abilities began to spread when a handful of studies found positive trends in patients after taking the drug, particularly one non-peer reviewed paper that said ivermectin can lower COVID-19 death rates by more than 90%. That study has since been withdrawn from the research website following reports of plagiarism and data manipulation that “are now under formal investigation.” Separate research published in June last year found that ivermectin reduced the amount of coronavirus in a laboratory dish by 5,000-fold after two days. Some studies showed the drug helped COVID-19 patients recover faster and reduced inflammation, while others showed no benefits or worsening of disease. But “most of these studies had incomplete information and significant methodological limitations, which make it difficult to exclude common causes of bias,” according to the NIH, including small sample sizes, inconsistencies in the reporting of disease severity and conflicting data as patients received multiple medications at once. “The way that [ivermectin] works is it actually paralyses the worm by attacking the nerve and muscle cells,” Speights told KAIT8. “COVID is [caused by] a virus. COVID doesn’t have nerve or muscle cells, so the mechanism in which the drug works wouldn’t work for a virus.” A WHO group of experts analyzed 16 randomized controlled trials including a total of 2,407 inpatients and outpatients with COVID-19 and concluded that evidence of the drug’s ability to improve disease outcomes is of “very low certainty.” The group didn’t look into whether ivermectin can prevent COVID-19. “We have a hospital with dozens and dozens of patients that have taken ivermectin that is in with COVID pneumonia. I see this every day,” Dr. Robin Trotman, an infectious disease specialist in Missouri, told FOX2now. “We have things that work. The [monoclonal antibodies] clearly work, if you’re in the hospital steroids clearly work. But this one, I wish it worked, but the evidence is pretty clear.” Incorrectly prescribed ivermectin can cause serious side effects American comedian, podcast host and UFC commentator Joe Rogan recently claimed the public is turning a cold shoulder to ivermectin’s potential role in the pandemic during his June 22 episode on “The Joe Rogan Experience.” One of his guests, Dr. Pierre Kory, introduced as an intensive care unit and lung specialist, said his “dream is that every household has ivermectin in their cupboard. And you take it upon development of first symptom of anything approximating a viral symptom ... even if it’s not COVID, it’s safe to take it and it’s probably effective against that virus.” Ivermectin is not an FDA approved antiviral, however. It’s an anti-parasitic that is used to treat diseases caused by some worms in pill form; topical formulas exist to treat head lice and skin conditions like rosacea. There is some evidence the drug has an affect on the viruses that cause dengue fever, Zika, HIV and yellow fever, but these studies were done in petri dishes in laboratories, the NIH says. No clinical trials to date have tested ivermectin in people infected with these viruses. Kory went on to say all side effects to the drug are “considered minor and transient” and that randomized controlled clinical trials — the gold standard for scientific research — are “fraught with error,” “not appropriate for a pandemic and it’s also a tool that’s being used as a disinformation tactic.” But side effects are serious, Dr. William Schaffner, a professor of infectious diseases at Vanderbilt University in Tennessee, told WKRN. “Some of the side effects relate to intestinal disturbance, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, but others are a bit more serious; you can lose your sense of balance, which is not very good,” Schaffner told the outlet. “And on occasion, it’s actually precipitated seizures and coma. And there have been some people who have died.” Because people are getting their hands on versions of the drug intended for large, heavy animals, health officials say they can be “highly toxic.” There are also many inactive ingredients in animal products that aren’t evaluated for use in people, the FDA says, or they’re in much greater quantities than people can handle. “In some cases, we don’t know how those inactive ingredients will affect how ivermectin is absorbed in the human body.” Ivermectin can also interact with other medications like blood thinners in harmful ways; it’s possible to overdose on the drug, too. For these reasons, health officials have determined there is not enough data to recommend the use of ivermectin as a treatment for COVID-19.
Vaccine skeptics and anti-maskers are sucking down horse paste promoted by Trump's 'alien DNA' doctor https://www.rawstory.com/trump-bogus-cure/ Vaccine skeptics and anti-maskers are instead sucking down horse paste — the latest snake-oil "miracle cure" — once they become sick with COVID-19, resulting in an increase in calls to poison control centers, the Daily Beast reported Friday. The horse paste contains ivermectin, which is normally used to treat parasites in humans and livestock but is now being prescribed by quack doctors and promoted in online forums as the latest version of the Trumpian drug hydroxychloroquine. One of the groups behind the ivermectin craze is America's Frontline Doctors, the Trump-promoted Texas group that includes accused Capitol insurrectionist Dr. Simone Gold and "alien DNA" specialist Dr. Stella Immanuel. "Devotees have besieged pharmacists with prescriptions from shady online prescribers, forcing pharmacies to crack down and treat the antiparasitic drugs like opioids," the Daily Beast reports. "As human-approved ivermectin prescriptions have been harder to come by, enthusiasts have taken to raiding rural tractor supply stores in search of ivermectin horse paste (packed with 'apple flavor!') and weighed the benefits of taking ivermectin 'sheep drench' and a noromectin 'injection for swine and cattle.'" As far as its efficacy in treating COVID-19, invermectin remains unproven. Studies touted in support of the drug were later withdrawn or heavily criticized due to errors, leading experts to conclude that further randomized trials are needed. The FDA, meanwhile, has cautioned people against taking drugs intended for large animals because they are highly concentrated. A Texas-based poison control specialist, who spoke on the condition of anonymity out of fear of repercussions, told the Daily Beast that while there isn't an epidemic of ivermectin overdoses, there has been a noticeable increase in calls. "The irony is, in a severe ivermectin overdose patients will end up needing to be intubated to protect their airway, meanwhile, a lot of them are taking the ivermectin to allegedly treat their COVID… to avoid ultimately being intubated and placed on a ventilator," the poison control specialist said. Read the full story here.
Pharmacists Fight Off COVID Truthers Demanding Horse Medicine Instead of the Jab These geniuses have been convinced to pass on the vaccine and raid rural farm stores so they can suck down “sheep drench” and take swine injections. https://www.thedailybeast.com/demon...us-cure-has-covid-truthers-eating-horse-paste It’s not snake oil, literally. But as bogus COVID-19 miracle drugs go, horse paste comes pretty close. As coronavirus infections rage among the unvaccinated, those suspicious of the shot are championing a new supposed COVID-19 cure. Thanks to a dubious study of ivermectin, a drug used in humans to treat parasites like scabies, cranks have seized on the drug as the new solution to coronavirus prevention and treatment. Devotees have besieged pharmacists with prescriptions from shady online prescribers, forcing pharmacies to crack down and treat the antiparasitic drugs like opioids. As human-approved ivermectin prescriptions have been harder to come by, enthusiasts have taken to raiding rural tractor supply stores in search of ivermectin horse paste (packed with “apple flavor!”) and weighed the benefits of taking ivermectin “sheep drench” and a noromectin “injection for swine and cattle.” “There is certainly a noticeable increase in calls to poison centers regarding ivermectin being misused,” a Texas-based poison control specialist, who requested anonymity due to concerns of repercussions, told The Daily Beast via email. “It’s clear that a vast majority are associated with a belief that it will prevent or treat COVID. That said, I do want to be careful not to be sensational—there’s no epidemic of ivermectin overdoses in hospitals, but it’s needless suffering given the lack of conclusive evidence of a benefit.” All to treat and prevent a disease for which there’s a free and widely available vaccine. In some textbook cases, Facebook users have recommended using the drug against doctors’ orders. “Personally I haven’t had this situation, but if I did, I would sneak horse paste into the hospital and would rub it into the armpit myself to save my loved one,” a member of an ivermectin Facebook group advised another. Like the Trumpist miracle cure hydroxychloroquine before it, the hype for ivermectin comes against the advice of the medical community, which has been skeptical of the drug’s purported benefits. Although ivermectin optimists point to a few trials of the drug on COVID patients, two of the flashiest studies have either been withdrawn or heavily criticized due to errors. A recent review of existing ivermectin studies by the medical research group Cochrane did not rule in the drug’s favor. “Based on the current very low- to low-certainty evidence, we are uncertain about the efficacy and safety of ivermectin used to treat or prevent COVID-19,” the Cochrane report, released July 28 read. “The completed studies are small and few are considered high quality […] Overall, the reliable evidence available does not support the use of ivermectin for treatment or prevention of COVID-19 outside of well-designed randomized trials.” The report called for further randomized trials of ivermectin on COVID patients. “Most overdoses will be mild and simply result in some gastrointestinal distress and maybe some drowsiness, but severe overdose can cause significant neurological toxicity,” the Texas poison control worker said. “The irony is, in a severe ivermectin overdose (which is rare, you really have to be slamming this stuff to achieve that) patients will end up needing to be intubated to protect their airway, meanwhile, a lot of them are taking the ivermectin to allegedly treat their COVID… to avoid ultimately being intubated and placed on a ventilator.” As vaccine skeptics suck down tubes of horse paste and hit up poison control centers with calls, the FDA has patiently explained why people should not take medicine intended for livestock. Though they contain the same active ingredient approved for use in people, animal medications are “highly concentrated because they are used for large animals like horses and cows, which can weigh a lot more than we do” and as a result “Such high doses can be highly toxic in humans.” That kind of scientific caution is hard to find on the internet, where users on Telegram, Facebook groups, and Amazon comments sections guide each other on how to find and use the drug and evangelize it to others. Facebook groups offer support and answers to users who are confused, scared, and ignorant. When a poster has a question about how to convert horse doses to people doses, commenters are only too happy to provide suggestions. Their answers may prove a threat to your liver health, but they fill the vacuum of information for those committed to exploring the frontiers of COVID medical quackery. Posters ask questions not readily answered by the legitimate medical community, like what size dose of the phoney miracle drug to give an 8-year old recently diagnosed with COVID-19. Group members respond with a chart that lists suggested doses in human-approved ivermectin tablets or “notches” for the markings on tubes of horse paste listed according to patient weight. The chart, a frequently pasted image in Facebook groups touting the drug, is sourced to Gustavo Aguirre Chang, a Peruvian doctor and evangelist for ivermectin’s use in treating COVID-19. On Amazon, where customers can buy horse paste ivermectin without a prescription, purchasers speak in coded reviews to extol the drug’s supposed benefits against COVID-19. “My ‘horse’ had no negative side effects, and now he tells me he feels like a million bucks and is now COVID free,” one customer wrote. “If you are intelligent enough to be able to weigh yourself and smart enough to do fractions you can do this safely” another assured readers. Amazon has become so popular as a source for horse-to-human ivermectin that the purchases are starting to warp the company’s recommendation engines. Its popularity as a backdoor for people to obtain ivermectin horsepaste is so great that Amazon’s recommendation systems now push customers to buy zinc, vitamin C, and quercetin—other popular (and bogus) coronavirus home remedies—alongside pulse oximeters, often purchased by those infected with COVID-19 to monitor their oxygen levels. “This is actually the primary situation we get called about,” the Texas poison control worker said. “The big headache for poison control centers is that people are circumventing their physician and going to animal supply stores and acquiring ivermectin which can be purchased without a prescription with the understanding it’s for large animal veterinary use only. However, this form of ivermectin is a 1.87% paste [in delicious apple flavor]—it’s so concentrated because it’s formulated for 1,500-pound horses, not humans. Unless someone knows what they’re doing, it’s very easy to overdose on the paste.” When horse ivermectin isn’t available, believers will scour the animal kingdom for other sources. On one forum, a European ivermectin fan complained that he could only find the drug in quantities approved for pet parrots, leading to an expensive cost-per-dosage. On Facebook, an ivermectin-curious woman shared a picture of “sheep drench,” asking if the ovine de-louser would help fight COVID-19. The bold label printed on the bottle warning “NOT SAFE OR APPROVED FOR HUMAN USE, WHICH COULD CAUSE SEVERE PERSONAL INJURY OR DEATH” in the image did little to deter curiosity. Off-label ivermectin requests are also hitting legitimate pharmacies, to pharmacists’ displeasure. One pharmacist, who has worked in Missouri and Illinois over the course of the pandemic, said they’d received approximately 10 ivermectin prescriptions in recent months: an uncommon number for a drug typically used to treat scabies or serious lice infestations in humans. About six of those 10 prescriptions raised red flags, like weirdly large dosages or doctors who canceled orders when questioned. “If I could verify based on current dosage information for its available indications that the prescription appeared to be for a valid diagnosis I would dispense with no issue,” the pharmacist, who requested anonymity due to concerns of repercussions at work, told The Daily Beast. For the six unusual orders, the pharmacist called the prescriber. Half of those doctors never answered. Of the three that responded, “two canceled the prescription—one electronically and one verbally while on the phone. The third verbally confirmed it was for the treatment of acute COVID infection and did not deem to cancel it.” The electronic cancellation came from a prescriber far out of state, in California. An Arizona-based pharmacist told The Daily Beast that their pharmacy had been inundated with ivermectin prescriptions from America’s Frontline Doctors. The group was founded in 2020 by Dr Simone Gold, currently awaiting trial on charges related to her alleged participation in the Jan. 6 insurrection, and pushed an anti-lockdown, pro-hydroxychloroquine agenda with the help of Dr. Stella Immanuel, the so-called “demon sperm” doctor who has professed a belief in aliens and “reptilian” overlords. After spending much of the pandemic touting hydroxychloroquine, America’s Frontline Doctors now offers tele-health consults for $90 and directs prospective patients and visitors looking to get scripts for hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin filled to Ravkoo, an online pharmacy startup based in Florida. “At the peak we were getting between 5-10 scripts per week. (Demon sperm ‘MD’ was calling them into our voicemail). Recently, it’s been 1-2 a month thankfully,” the Arizona pharmacist messaged The Daily Beast. “Our biggest problem was when one other Rph [registered pharmacist] filled a script for it and the floodgates opened after that. Those being from the TX demon sperm MD (I forget her name, honestly). The office would never answer the phone when we called to question it but we would just write down the info and document it before we destroyed the rx.” Although the pharmacist had been able to reason with would-be ivermectin patients, some colleagues had found themselves facing “ladies threatening to sue, being accused of overstepping our boundaries, etc,” the Arizona pharmacist said. Pharmacies’ reluctance to fill dubious ivermectin scripts has prompted America’s Frontline Doctors to start recruiting plaintiffs for a lawsuit. The group published a plaintiff intake form on its website to screen for doctors and patients who’ve had pharmacies refuse to fill their ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine prescriptions. Still, at least one customer changed their mind after learning more about the drug. “Only one person I spoke with actually agreed to not wanting to pick it up after she told me her friend referred her to the telemedicine appointment,” the Arizona pharmacist said. “She had no idea what she was getting or that it was useless.”
Perú.. They were going on and on and on about Peru's great success with Ivermectin due to a couple of American researchers publishing their work on official stats provided by the Peruvian government. It was hard to argue with this big dip in the graph but something felt wrong.. Peru which had impeached its president and was rudderless in a protracted election, corrected its covid death under count to nearly 3x giving it the highest deaths per capita in the world and crickets from the Ivermectin gang.
Plus the current government of Peru coming out and stating that Ivermectin has no benefit in the prevention or treatment of COVID -- and none of the government data supports assertions that Ivermectin has any benefit.
Claim: Ivermectin caused a substantial decrease in the excess mortality rate in Mexico Claim that ivermectin is bringing down COVID-19 mortality rate in Mexico lacks evidence https://www.politifact.com/factchec...ivermectin-bringing-down-covid-19-mortality-/ We did not find any credible data showing a causal relationship between administering ivermectin and its overall effect on the COVID-19 excess mortality rate in Mexico. A maker of ivermectin said in February that it does not believe that available data support the safety and efficacy of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19. The World Health Organization in March also said that data from known trials using ivermectin were inconclusive and recommended against the use of the drug for treating COVID-19 except in clinical settings. A graphic on social media claiming to illustrate the effects of the antiparasitic drug ivermectin and its role in decreasing COVID-19 deaths in Mexico lacks verifiable evidence. The graphic in the post is a modified version of a chart that appears on a Mexican government website tracking excess mortality. The modified graphic includes superimposed text and shading to suggest that the decline in excess deaths coincided with and resulted from the introduction of ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment. The post was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.) We found no evidence that supports the claim in the Facebook graphic. Excess mortality rates in Mexico We emailed a Mexican federal health agency for information related to the Facebook claim but did not hear back. Our research found that the Mexican federal government remains divided on the issue and has not established a unified stance on using ivermectin to treat or prevent COVID-19. Despite non-binding guidance from the country's health ministry advising that more research and data is necessary, Mexico's Institute of Social Security, a public health agency, allows the drug to be used in some cases. COVID-19 has killed at least 4 million people worldwide, including almost 242,000 in Mexico, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. The number of COVID-19 deaths in Mexico is widely believed to be an undercount. Excess mortality, as defined by the World Health Organization, is the difference between the observed numbers of deaths and the expected number of deaths for a specific time period. In Mexico, excess deaths began tapering off in late winter and early spring with the first arrival of vaccines for medical workers in late December 2020. Vaccine access remains a barrier in the country and locally produced vaccines weren’t a reality until May. The graphic circulating on Facebook was authored by Juan J. Chamie, a self-described analyst associated with an advocacy group that pushes for the use of ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment. In an email to PolitiFact, Chamie pointed to data from the Mexican government showing that the excess mortality rate dropped exponentially from week to week from February through July. The most recent excess mortality rate data — for the week beginning July 5 — shows that fatalities were about 7% less than projected. When looking at the excess mortality data compiled by the Mexican federal government, this year’s rate is calculated by comparing to pre-pandemic average mortality rates from 2015 to 2019, accounting for year-to-year variations. But we found no data or evidence showing a causal relationship between that decline and ivermectin specifically. "The evidence on the use of ivermectin to reduce COVID-19 hospitalizations is based on a retrospective study using COVID-19 registry data sponsored by the Mexico City Health Ministry," said Dr. Omar Yaxmehen Bello-Chavolla, an associate professor at the National Autonomous University of Mexico’s medical school in Mexico City. "No experimental studies have been conducted to support this claim," Bello-Chavolla said in a statement to PolitiFact. "A causal link between ivermectin and any related COVID-19 outcome cannot be ascertained with the available evidence." Use of ivermectin in Mexico In May, Mexico City health officials released results from a non-clinical study — a study that did not directly involve humans — that claimed ivermectin helped reduce COVID-19 hospitalizations by 76%. Results of the study were not published in any scientific or medical journals, and it did not directly address Mexico’s excess mortality rates. The city government in December 2020 started distributing 83,000 medical kits to people at home (not hospitalized) with mild-to-moderate cases, according to the study. The kits contained three different drugs, including ivermectin. But ivermectin was the only drug trumpeted in the study released by Mexico City. The study was widely characterized as misleading, according to the Brazilian fact-checking site Estadão Verifica, since it heavily emphasized ivermectin. Mexico’s Institute of Social Security has defended the use of the drug to treat COVID-19 and pointed to the Mexico City non-clinical study as proof of the drug’s treatment potential. However, there is still no firm consensus among Mexican federal government officials on the use of ivermectin against COVID-19. Ministry of Health Undersecretary Hugo López Gatell said more data was needed to paint a clearer picture of ivermectin’s efficacy (or lack thereof) as a COVID-19 treatment, the Mexico City-based news organization Animal Político reported in March. PolitiFact has fact-checked several claims concerning ivermectin and its efficacy against COVID-19. We’ve found that some studies suggest the drug can help treat COVID-19, while other studies show no tangible effect. Many of the studies had small sample sizes and other methodological limitations. Pharmaceutical giant Merck & Co., which developed ivermectin and makes the drug, said in February that based on available and emerging studies of the drug to treat COVID-19, company scientists found "no scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect." The company also said it found "a concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies." A March statement from the World Health Organization also said that data from known trials using ivermectin were inconclusive and that more information was needed. It also recommended against the use of the drug for treating COVID-19 except in clinical settings. In the U.S., the Food and Drug Administration has not approved ivermectin for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19. Our ruling A social media post claims that the use of ivermectin to treat individuals with COVID-19 caused a substantial decrease of excess mortality rates in Mexico. We found no credible published data showing a causal relationship between ivermectin and decreased COVID-19 mortality in Mexico. A maker of ivermectin has also said it does not believe that available data support the safety and efficacy of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19. In the absence of evidence proving the claim, we rate this post False.
Pharmacists Fight Off COVID Truthers Demanding Horse Medicine Instead of the Jab https://www.thedailybeast.com/demon...us-cure-has-covid-truthers-eating-horse-paste
GWB, you are the expert dummy around here. Again I pose the question, are you a doctor? Then, STFU and stop acting like one. All your expertise is copying and pasting articles written by extreme liberal hacks. Compare your total lack of qualifications to Dr. Simone Gold who is a board certified emergency physician and numerous top doctors around the world. Numerous tests have been run on Ivermectin as a cure for Corona Virus. Why are you extreme liberal idiots suppressing Ivermectin's use? I will tell you why numbnuts because you are in the pocket of Big Pharma as most of you extreme liberal idiots are.
It's also the reason why some of these Covidiots have moved their misinformation / disinformation efforts from other social media formats to Elitetrader.com because they know that type of bullshit is tolerated here in the Political threads. In the meantime, Delta Variant is ravaging Florida young people as we warned last year mid-summer that such could happen in the United States if a dangerous variant showed up. It's craziness all over again but this time it's not the elderly getting hurt... it's people's children. Hospitals are filling up with Covid infected kids because they're too young to be vaccinated but it's not their fault. It's the fault of their unvaccinated adult parents. wrbtrader