Extrinsic value actual representation

Discussion in 'Options' started by nuandabi, May 24, 2022.

  1. nuandabi

    nuandabi

    Usually extrinsic value is represented as the image below, a bell shape curve


    555.png

    My simple question is:

    Shouldn't the actual representation be a lognormal?
    Screenshot_277.png
    (Please excuse the crudity of this GRAPH. I didn't have time to build it to scale)

    And so:
    all the typical representations of first and second order greeks are unfaithful?

    How much it can be misleading to think in terms of normal istead of lognormal?

    I hope I made it clear.

    Thanks
     
  2. nuandabi

    nuandabi

    P.s. I switched ITM-OTM positions
     
  3. Why not just observe? Here is Extrinsic value of SPX PUTs for the 17JUN expiry for reference.
    upload_2022-5-24_12-46-12.png
     
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  4. Baozi

    Baozi

    I guess that the representation comes from the bsm model and does not account for observed IV/skew
     
  5. The plot was the Extrinsic value at the time I produced that plot. IV skew IS included, as this was real-time data, not some "model"!. Don't take my word for it, plot it yourself!
     
  6. nuandabi

    nuandabi

    Yes.
    That's my point. In theory the extrinsic value graph should be a lognormal. That's also the reason why ATM delta isn't 0,5, and other consequences in terms of probability of touch, etc etc.
    'Cause the foundation of Black Scholes model is geometric brownian motion and not simple brownian motion.
     
  7. Baozi

    Baozi

    My comment was about OP's graph, not yours :)
     
  8. Baozi

    Baozi

    I know shit about high level math so take my comment as an uneducated guess.. however I think that neither lognormal nor normal are an accurate representation of what you see in reality.

    And my guess on the "why" is that while textbooks are based on BSM, market makers use different models to price volatility.
     
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  9. nuandabi

    nuandabi

    From a user of another forum who made the actual calculation.

    Screenshot_284.png
     
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  10. LM3886

    LM3886

    The extrinsic value must be non-smooth ATM. Because it’s the difference of overall value and intrinsic value. The former is smooth and the latter is non-smooth. So the ATM kink is expected.
     
    #10     May 28, 2022
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