Exposing Retail to Realized vol

Discussion in 'Options' started by TheBigShort, Feb 10, 2020.

  1. TheBigShort

    TheBigShort

    Why are there no ETFs or closed ended funds that give retail exposure to a delta hedged straddle or a replicated variance swap? I would imagine something like this would be a hit. A delta hedged put strategy would also make a lot of sense. This would be a great way to give investors exposure to realized vol

    There must be a specific reason for why this has not been created. I'd love to hear your input.

    What do you guys think about taking this on as an entrepreneurial endeavor?
     
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  2. The var-futures never had any volume.

    Alpha would be a factor in any dynamically-hedged synthetic. I can't imagine being able to sell that to regulators. Basically, you need to be an established BD to make this work. ETF underwriting is a NIGHTMARE.
     
  3. ajacobson

    ajacobson

    Don't know if this will help you any but these guys actually built a CME listed realized vol. product and have one pending to trade on the SEC side at BOX.

    https://www.realvol.com/


    They also own a lot of IP relative to product construction. The CME products were delisted and BOX has said something like it needs a liquid future to attract MM talent.

    Robert Krause is the CEO and a brilliant guy.

    Much longer story, but this might give you a starting point. Former CME product was SPY based as is the proposed BOX product - if the BOX approval has not lapsed. Indicies are on Bloomberg so a sense of price discovery does exist.
     
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  4. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    I think it would be impossible without caps on the varswaps. I asked a private bank to quote me 5 year variance (when it was trading over 32) and they wouldn’t do it without a cap (and that made the whole deal prohibitive).
     
  5. ajacobson

    ajacobson

    A great deal can depend on your balance sheet as well as their appetite. Either try another desk or ask them how large a balance sheet they need.
     
  6. *gamma swap
     
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