Ex-dividend date

Discussion in 'Stocks' started by WXYGUY, Sep 27, 2024.

  1. WXYGUY

    WXYGUY

    Can I purchase prior to ex-dividend date, then sell on of after ex-dividend date and still received the dividend? Or would I have to hold to the payment date?
     
  2. NorgateData

    NorgateData Sponsor

    The only date that is relevant is the trading day prior to the ex-dividend date. i.e. if you hold on close of the trading date prior to the ex-dividiend date you are entitled to that dividend.

    So, short answer: Yes. Payment date is irrelevant to you.

    That being said, stocks typically decrease by the roughly the dividend amount the next day (i.e. the ex-date).
     
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  3. WXYGUY

    WXYGUY

    ah yes...so it may make more sense to forego buying prior to ex-dividend date, and buy the shares at a reduced price.

    If I were to buy 5000 shares @10 that has a $1 dividend per month I would receive $5000

    After ex -dividend date, if price drops the $1 dividend, then I could buy 5555 shares so I would receive $555 more each month and would recover the lost 5k in 9 months.

    Hmmmm...long term it would be better to wait for the price drop.
     
  4. NorgateData

    NorgateData Sponsor

    You're providing a pretty silly example ($10 stock that pays $1 dividend per month).

    Most stocks pay a quarterly dividend, determined as a pre-determined portion of their profit (but not always).

    Instead, work your way back to a dividend paying stock at or above prevailing interest/inflation rates then you are back in the ball-park for a yield play.

    But maybe you also want o consider what the market is doing on a capital gain level too.

    Perhaps you could provide a real example of what you're considering?
     
    Last edited: Sep 27, 2024
  5. WXYGUY

    WXYGUY

    10,000 capital

    BITO@ 20.04
    Shares: 499
    Dividend @ 1.20 per share per month = $598

    After ex-dividend
    Price drops 1.20 to 18.84
    Shares: 530
    Dividend @ 1.20 per share per month = $636

    = $38 excess dividend
    = 598/38= 15 months to recover the missed dividend payment.

    Or you could use any of the yield max etf's.
     
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  6. taowave

    taowave

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!

    I see what you are doing


     
  7. Be careful doing this, especially with yield max. I thought I would do same thing back in July and buy at a discount post ex dividend on NVDY. It proceeded to drop more, then August came and it crashed, so I'm down pretty bad with that strategy. But if all goes well, the dividends should have me back even in another 3-4 months.

    It really comes down to timing, had I waited and done the same thing in Aug, I would be up nicely right now.

    Another example that is working great for me, HUYA is getting ready to pay a fat $1.06 dividend in Oct. So I bought it at $3.98 on 9/16 it has since ran up the entire dividend amount to $5.06. So I'm debating just taking the money now rather than waiting for the dividend, and it might drop more than that and not come back.

    Im also not sure which is better tax wise, I did a similar one with Logi paying over $1.35 dividend, and it didn't drop much in price and bounced back nicely since paying dividend. But I got hit with an ADR tax that was over 35% of my dividend. And now I assume I still have to pay income taxes on the rest.


    All that said I think your timing on bito may be pretty good, I recently bought a little myself thinking as long as bitcoin trends positive, it should do ok.
     
    Last edited: Sep 28, 2024
  8. WXYGUY

    WXYGUY

    Yes, but unless the fund closes who cares about the capital as long as you keep getting the dividend. I will probably spread it around 10 etf's. What about dividends in a tfsa? Are they tax free then? How are dividends taxed?

    Does anybody else look at dividends like built in perpetual stop losses?
     
  9. NorgateData

    NorgateData Sponsor

    I'm really not quite sure what you're trying to achieve here.

    Dividend-paying securities generally will reduce/stop paying dividends when things are not going well for the company/ETF.

    You mention BITO (a Bitcoin ETF) - this pays a dividend (probably because it trades BTC futures) with a tradeoff versus the capital gain of holding the holding the underytling, less their expense (ratio) costs.
     
  10. deaddog

    deaddog

    TFSA have no tax. However BITO being a US security has a 15% withholding tax that is not refunded in a TFSA.

    If you look at the actual price of BITO, not the price adjusted for dividends you might want to reconsider. Dividends have not made up for the price decline.

    Look at your account balance rather than what you paid for a stock to see if you have a profit or a loss.
     
    #10     Sep 28, 2024
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