Entered my first deep ITM credit spread on apple today.

Discussion in 'Options' started by Amun Ra, Sep 4, 2020.

  1. Amun Ra

    Amun Ra

    Never did anything like this before, but I thought I'd try it out. Created 4 monthly Oct $155/160 put spreads. Got in at $4.75 and collected $1900 in premium. Max risk is $100. I actually wonder if I could've got an even better price the way the stock was moving today and maybe even get it at $5 for a risk free, can literally not go tits up, trade.

    Here's to hoping for a good iphone launch.
     
  2. guru

    guru

    Are you aware you're betting $100 on AAPL price going to $160 by October 16th?
    Could've bought a call for $132, which could move quite a lot if/when AAPL starts recovering. Spreads are moving quite slowly in comparison.
     
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  3. Amun Ra

    Amun Ra

    Yeah, I probably could have, but the $160 calls wouldn't be worth anywhere near $1900 even if the price went to $160 by next week. At the money calls on apple are only worth $10 six weeks out. At the money calls just a week out are only about $4.
     
  4. SanMiguel

    SanMiguel

    $1900 premium but $100 risk - doesn't make sense for a spread. You sure it isn't more like triple the premium in risk?
     
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  5. Pkay

    Pkay

    This is exactly what I was thinking.
     
  6. SanMiguel

    SanMiguel

    More like $10,000 risk. 100x100?
     
  7. The $100 risk/$1900 max profit makes sense, for a DITM bull put (credit) spread, but the trade might not. AAPL has to rise about $33% in 2 months (2 worst months of the year) for the full credit. There is a chance it can, but it's long odds. Think of it like this, 1 time out of 20 it makes $1900. 19 times out of 20 it loses $100. That's overly simplistic, but you get the idea.

     
    Last edited: Sep 5, 2020
  8. Amun Ra

    Amun Ra

    I know...took a minute for my head to wrap around it so let me explain.


    In a $5 credit spread, the most you can lose is $500 - premium you receive. I bought 4 so the most I can lose is $2000 - premium. It doesn't matter what the price of the stock or the premium is. It's always $5. Because my credit was $4.75 per contract, my max risk is .25.

    Just to break down the actual costs of this trade I'll give you the numbers.

    For the 4 contracts I paid a total of $14,893 for the $155s and I received $16,793 in premium or $37.2325 to buy the puts and $41.9825 to sell the puts.

    But if you don't believe my math, this might prove it for you.

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  9. destriero

    destriero

    Or the idiot could have bought the 155/160 call spread. Don't trade DITM spreads.
     
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  10. SanMiguel

    SanMiguel

    I missed the fact it was ITM
     
    #10     Sep 5, 2020
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