Does a strategy become less effective or more effective once brought public?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by BearTrades, Jan 2, 2020.

  1. When a winning strategy is brought public and more people start to trade it, does that strategy become less effective, meaning the smart money figures out a lot of people are trading the same way so they figure out how to exploit that. Or does the strategy become more effective, more buyers, more follow through etc.
     
  2. Turveyd

    Turveyd

    7Bil people on the planet, it'll take a lot of people using the method to make any difference, by a lot I mean 1000's+, so irrelevant is my kinda vote.
     
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  3. guru

    guru

    Of course when someone buys a lot of shares of a stock 1 second before you then you'll have to pay higher price, your edge is gone.
    But no one cares about 99.99% of strategies. You can give your strategy away and no one would care. There are millions of them out there. Everyone is interested in strategies used by the most successful, secretive hedge funds, with $billions in capacity.
     
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  4. gaussian

    gaussian

    We really need to quantify what type of strategy. I have never traded in a situation where a seconds worth of execution has ever mattered. Just use a limit order?

    In general though your statement is not totally true. It depends on what limits are sitting when you purchase. If there's enough liquidity you could get a great fill despite being late to the show.
     
  5. southall

    southall

    They say the turtle breakout systems started to become less effective about the same time as one of the turtles (russell sands i think) began to sell it after his NDA expired. Early/mid 90s i think.
     
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  6. southall

    southall

    You dont need 1000s of people. Just one large hedge fund could be enough.
     
    Last edited: Jan 2, 2020
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  7. guru

    guru


    I generalized a bit because this topic was discussed many times.
    There are probably many scenarios, but generally all actively trading hedge funds are very secretive and concerned about losing their edge(s), even some new ETFs are awaiting approval of non-transparent way of trading/holdings.
    While HFTs mainly profit from front-running trades, also trying to outdo each other as there isn’t enough room for everyone.
    All this shouldn’t apply much to retail trading.
     
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  8. Handle123

    Handle123

    Feeder Cattle is one favorite market but being Open Interest is low at about 45k over 8 contract months, would not take much to undo a strategy.

    Strategy becomes public= less effective.
    Believe I posted something about this recently where methods completely shut down once the public knew about it, more so when pits were open. And if you are talented enough, you make a new system on how to take advantage of those who bought that method.

    I know some methods I have bought in past, have to really think outside the box of either when safer to trade those systems or trade against them. I recently been going through old material long forgotten to see if they now been, many trending does well. "Futures Truth", don't know if still in business http://futurestruth.com/, they use to keep track of systems.
     
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  9. schizo

    schizo

    Publicly available strategies are as good as using no strategies. When you run a backtest, you will find that most of them lose money, even more so when commission and slippage are accounted for.

    Profitable strategies, on the other hand, will never be divulged to the public. So instead of being obsessed with other people's edge :banghead:, go find your own edge. :finger:
     
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  10. Alexpung

    Alexpung

    pure long stock strategy is still very effective.
     
    #10     Jan 3, 2020
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