Directional call

Discussion in 'Options' started by DTB2, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. DTB2

    DTB2

    If one has, in their mind, a very good probability that a stock will be up 10% within a given period and seeks to buy a call, which strike would you prefer?

    Several strikes ITM 70 Delta ish
    ATM
    OTM strike equivalent to where you think the stock will go.

    All 3 are profitable in the trades I have looked at.

    I have my choice in mind but would like to hear from the more seasoned hands.

    Thanks
     
  2. ET180

    ET180

    Depends on the expected move. For Tesla a 10% move over a short time period is probably mostly priced in. For something like KO, then it's not. If it's not priced in, go OTM calls and buy more of them. This is risky so you need to basically know something that the rest of the market does not know.
     
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  3. DTB2

    DTB2

    Thanks.

    It is more of a KO type stock.
    I've looked at a pattern from 1985 forward.
    Obviously it's not 100% but has over 85% repeatability
     
  4. Roll over until the urge passes. Pay your child support arrears.
     
  5. DTB2

    DTB2

    Thanks but not helpful.
     
  6. tommcginnis

    tommcginnis

    "Timing is everything."

    (Well, maybe not everything, but in Option-land, it is certainly a goodly third of everything. So, whether you're buying a single call or are spreading it off [to lessen the cost], your profit will be a product of the market move *and* the days-to-expiration *and* the existing volatility-priced-in. [call them, delta, theta, and vol] Focusing only on delta could well have you seeing the underlying move up, and your position still losing money because of theta and vol moving against you. :(

    Assuming vol does not move o_O, then your position is a function of just delta and timing. Assuming your delta expectation of 10% is correct, then it's down to timing. So, "Timing is everything..." :D)

    The "time value" of the option/strike you choose should be your focus -- the more sure you are of timing, the more you might consider paying for time value. The less sure you are, ........
     
  7. DTB2

    DTB2

    Thanks Tom.

    Typically the move is within 30 days or so. I've been looking buying 120-125 DTE to mitigate decay.

    I'm also leaning to the OTM which has less theta than ATM, so another "safeguard" working on my behalf.

    There may be some vol contraction or even expansion, not sure but the trades are around earnings time but not an earnings trade.
     
  8. tommcginnis

    tommcginnis


    "Errrrrrm....!" :confused:
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  9. DTB2

    DTB2

    ??? There are two main factors which influence theta value: moneyness and the length of time until expiration. The theta value is usually at its highest point when an option is at the money, or very near the money. As the underlying security moves further away from the strike price, meaning the option is going into the money or out of the money, the theta value gets lower.???

    https://www.optionstrading.org/improving-skills/greeks/theta/
     
  10. tommcginnis

    tommcginnis

    Another angle, then...
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    Notice that as value of the option increases, the proportion of extrinsic value to intrinsic value shrinks in comparison, to the point where, deep-ITM, your analysis should include simply buying the underlying. (It then boils down to a leverage/risk question.)
     
    #10     Feb 23, 2020
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