Currency futures vs currency

Discussion in 'Automated Trading' started by dasenbrj, Nov 13, 2013.

Are there arb opportunities present in forex vs CME forex futures?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. dasenbrj

    dasenbrj

    Does anyone have experience in trading CME forex futures against cash forex? I am under the assumption that the two markets should be valued the same...therefore there is an arbitrage opportunity present

    I could be missing something...
     
  2. dasenbrj

    dasenbrj

    One thing I may not be considering is that futures are forward, for future delivery
     
  3. FXforex

    FXforex

    How do you buy/sell on one market and sell/buy to close on another?
     
  4. dasenbrj

    dasenbrj

    wouldnt have to, just assume that the two prices will eventually trade equal to eachother
     
  5. dasenbrj

    dasenbrj

    would not have to, just assume that the two prices must eventually equal eachother. Perhaps I am using the word arbitrage loosely.
     
  6. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    No, they need to be fungible for the arb to exist. Trading the future against the cash creates a forward interest rate swap. That becomes your position. The forward swap is not an arb, it's an actual position in rates.
     
  7. Every major bank in the word trades both, and some central banks, and exploits every minute deviation, so there is no arbitrage opportunity left for small traders (or even most banks for that matter).

    There can be rare momentary exceptions when violent moves occur suddenly when one market is closing or some such.

    Of course interest rates and varying delivery dates are factored in already.
     
  8. it would be tough to coordinate execution between a limit order driven exchange like Globex and the fragmented world of spot. Also if an arb is that obvious, why should it still work? Most arbitrage trades have a broader fundamental cause. Easier coin to be made elsewhere IMO.
     
  9. dasenbrj

    dasenbrj

    Because the futures are forward contracts, right. Thanks
     
  10. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    Correct, when you buy a currency future you are "locking in" the forward interest rate. When you buy spot, you are long the floating rate. It can go up or down. Hence why it's a swap. The arb is done through the interest rate market. If you can trade the 30 day swap at better prices with the spot and the future, you can put that on and then sell the actual swap at a bank to arb the difference. Your p&l will have nothing to do with which direction the currency moves.
     
    #10     Nov 14, 2013