Hopefully we can end this madness and pursue strategies based on data and science and not this Fauci and Newsome and media lockdown voodoo. 1. Fauci admits our Lockdown was never going to be successful. (Why the hell were/ are we pursing such a damaging yet ineffective lock down strategy after the hospital beds were open?) 2. Covid Immunity Could be Much More Wide Spread - (herd immunity may be a useful goal once again proving we should have let the low risk group out early and follow Sweden's model once the high risk was protected.) 3. Hydroxy found to be effective in a big study when you look at the data in a more nuanced way... (so many lefty Covidiots calling those who said Hydroxy might work all sorts of names) Evidence... 1.https://www.breitbart.com/clips/202...s-because-only-50-of-the-country-locked-down/ (You can listen to the audio on breitbart... he said... I heard it...) He continued, “We are seeing very disturbing spikes in different individual states in the United States. What we’ve seen over the last several days is a spike in cases that are way beyond the worst spikes that we’ve seen. That is not good news. We’ve got to get that under control, or we risk an even greater outbreak in the United States.” He added, “When you look at the fact that we never got things to baseline where so many counties in Europe, the U.K., and other countries did. They closed down to the tune of 97% lockdown. In the United States, even in the most strict lockdown, only about 50% of the country locked down. That allowed the perpetuation of the outbreak that we never did get under very good control. And now, all you have to do is take a look at the news at night, and you see people congregating at bars without masks, congregating in different types of groups that are well beyond the recommended number. What happens when you do that, and you don’t wear a mask, you get the kind of outbreaks we’re seeing.” 2. Covid Immunity could be more wide spread... www.bbc.com/news/health-53248660 Immunity may be more widespread than tests suggest People testing negative for coronavirus antibodies may still have some immunity, a study has suggested. For every person testing positive for antibodies, two were found to have specific T-cells which identify and destroy infected cells. This was seen even in people who had mild or symptomless cases of Covid-19. But it's not yet clear whether this just protects that individual, or if it might also stop them from passing on the infection to others. Researchers at the Karolinksa Institute in Sweden tested 200 people for both antibodies and T-cells. Some were blood donors while others were tracked down from the group of people first infected in Sweden, mainly returning from earlier affected areas like northern Italy. This could mean a wider group have some level of immunity to Covid-19 than antibody testing figures, like those published as part of the UK Office for National Statistics Infection Survey, suggest. It's likely those people did mount an antibody response, but either it had faded or was not detectable by the current tests. And these people should be protected if they are exposed to the virus for a second time. Prof Danny Altmann at Imperial College London described the study as "robust, impressive and thorough" and said it added to a growing body of evidence that "antibody testing alone underestimates immunity" Herd immunity This doesn't necessarily get us any closer to herd immunity, though, according to assistant professor Marcus Buggert, one of the study's authors. More analysis needs to be done to understand whether these T-cells provide "sterilising immunity", meaning they completely block the virus, or whether they might protect an individual from getting sick but not stop them from carrying the virus and transmitting it. Much of the discussion around Covid-19 immunity has focused on antibodies - Y-shaped proteins which act like "missiles shooting down a target", assistant Prof Buggert explained. They bind to the virus before it can enter your cells, and neutralise it. If antibodies fail to neutralise the virus, it can enter your cells and turn them into virus-making factories. T-cells, on the other hand, target already-infected cells and completely destroy them, stopping them from spreading to other, healthy cells Like antibodies, T-cells are part of the bit of your immune system that has a memory. Once it recognises a particular virus, it can quickly target cells infected with it and kill them. T-cell crash Researchers from the Francis Crick Institute, King's College London and Guy's and St Thomas' Hospital noticed a group of 60 severely ill patients appeared to experience a crash in their numbers of T-cells. This was not observed in the Karolinska study, which found the sicker the patient, the higher the level of antibodies and T-cells they appeared to produce. The team said more research was needed. While theirs is the biggest T-cell study done so far, it still involved a relatively small group of patients. T-cells are very complex and much harder to identify than antibodies, requiring specialist labs and small batches of samples being tested by hand over the course of days. This means mass testing for T-cells is not a very likely prospect at the moment. 3. https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-detroit-study/index.html (CNN)A surprising new study found that the controversial antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine helped patients better survive in the hospital. A team at Henry Ford Health System in Southeast Michigan said Thursday its study of 2,541 hospitalized patients found that those given hydroxychloroquine were much less likely to die. Dr. Marcus Zervos, division head of infectious disease for Henry Ford Health System, said 26% of those not given hydroxychloroquine died, compared to 13% of those who got the drug. The team looked back at everyone treated in the hospital system since the first patient in March. "Overall crude mortality rates were 18.1% in the entire cohort, 13.5% in the hydroxychloroquine alone group, 20.1% among those receiving hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin, 22.4% among the azithromycin alone group, and 26.4% for neither drug," the team wrote in a report published in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases.
Fauci never said the lockdown was going to be "successful" , nobody thought it was because it could only reduce the spread. Fuck your dumb and a pedant. The 2nd point is just a discovery of something already obvious but the reason behind unknown. 3rd, does not mean anything for sure yet and other studies conflict. We need to know why.
you have been a moron douche and wrong about everything big for months. don't try to pretend you have been on the side of data, science and intellect now. What was obvious to me was opposed by you... You constantly and nastily argued and supported the wrong side for months. you should just go away.
Jem, the perfect Dunning Kruger example. I can discuss the science with someone like Piezoe but with you it would be like discussing the finer points of French cooking with a hungry dog. His eyes locked on the stick of butter. All you see is things that catch your attention since they stroke your ego.
all someone has to do... is go read the herd immunity thread of the Sweden thread. you are were a dick and you were wrong for months... look at the likes you gave... look at your comments... if you don't realize you were an asshole and wrong... you need counseling. my threads started off with you on ignore and you even said nasty shit about may family members and you don't know shit about my personal life. hopefully there is an once of self reflection in you and you read those threads and change. .
What we say to Trumpers/Full of themselvers Me every day, but even knowing its hopeless, we still rant at our pets.