Conservatives: Trump supporter who killed schoolchildren was a false flag and children aren't dead

Discussion in 'Politics' started by exGOPer, Feb 21, 2018.

  1. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    Infowars-affiliated “investigative journalist” Laura Loomer has traveled to the site of last week’s mass shooting at a Florida high school, apparently trying to recreate her disinformation and conspiracy theory-filled “coverage” of the aftermath of the mass shooting in Las Vegas last year.

    Loomer has been increasingly desperate for validation from her conservative media counterparts after her anti-Muslim Twitter meltdown and her effort to portray the FBI’s investigation into the Las Vegas mass shooting as a government cover-up caused some to distance themselves. So last week, when Infowars rolled out a combination of conspiracy theories about the Florida shooting, claiming that globalists ordered the shooting to cover up the FISA memo and insisting that the shooting was the “perfect false flag,” it provided an opportunity for Loomer to once again appear on the scene of a mass shooting and pull her signature stunt of harassing public officials with conspiracy theory nonsense.

    On Saturday, Loomer landed in Florida and quickly got to work on behalf of Infowars, an outlet that holds to this day that the Sandy Hook school shooting was a hoax. In a video uploaded yesterday for Infowars, Loomer shouted down Democratic Congressman Tom Deutch. On camera, Deutch told Loomer if she had “any respect for the human lives that were lost in my district” that she “wouldn’t come here” and that he would “never give an interview” to Infowars.

    Loomer, who also worked with Infowars while she was in Las Vegas, bombarded Deutch with questions about why he thought the “40 percent” of Americans who she claimed read Infowars are “absolute garbage” and asked him, “Why are you lying to your constituents about gun control?” She went on to assert that the shooting was a result of FBI incompetence rather than laws that enabled the teen to acquire the rifle he used to kill 17 people.

    Loomer’s desperation to inject herself as a “reporter” in Florida is also evident in a blog post on her newly unveiled website, which features screenshots of her Twitter stats, a tab called “Winter Specials” that appears to link to nothing, and posts of exclusive stories with the tagline “get illuminated.” One “exclusive” that Loomer features is a story about a single, random Facebook user who wrote something about “shooting up an NRA meeting” in the aftermath of the Florida shooting. The user Loomer targets for her “exclusive” report is an aspiring actress with no inherent news value related to the Florida shooting besides the alleged fact that she is a “Florida native.”

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/...w-disinformation-about-another-mass-shooting/
     
  2. exGOPer

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    The teenagers of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., who a week ago lost 17 of their classmates and school staff members in a mass shooting, have emerged as passionate advocates for reform, speaking openly of their anger in the hope of forcing a reckoning on guns.

    But in certain right-wing corners of the web — and, increasingly, from more mainstream voices like Rush Limbaugh and a commentator on CNN — the students are being portrayed not as grief-ridden survivors but as pawns and conspiracists intent on exploiting a tragedy to undermine the nation’s laws.

    In these baseless accounts, which by Tuesday had spread rapidly on social media, the students are described as “crisis actors,” who travel to the sites of shootings to instigate fury against guns. Or they are called F.B.I. plants, defending the bureau for its failure to catch the shooter. They have been portrayed as puppets being coached and manipulated by the Democratic Party, gun control activists, the so-called antifa movement and the left-wing billionaire George Soros.

    The theories are far-fetched. But they are finding a broad and prominent audience online. On Tuesday, the president’s son Donald J. Trump Jr. liked a pair of tweets that accused David Hogg, a 17-year-old who is among the most outspoken of the Parkland students, of criticizing the Trump administration in an effort to protect his father, whom Mr. Hogg has described as a retired F.B.I. agent.

    Mr. Hogg, the high school’s student news director, has become a sensation among many liberals for his polished and compelling television interviews, in which he has called on lawmakers to enact tougher restrictions on guns. Just as quickly, Mr. Hogg attracted the disdain of right-wing provocateurs like The Gateway Pundit, a fringe website that gained prominence in 2016 for pushing conspiracies about voter fraud and Hillary Clinton.


    In written posts and YouTube videos — one of which had more than 100,000 views as of Tuesday night — Gateway Pundit has argued that Mr. Hogg had been coached on what to say during his interviews. The notion that Mr. Hogg is merely protecting his father dovetails with a broader right-wing trope, that liberal forces in the F.B.I. are trying to undermine President Trump and his pro-Second Amendment supporters.

    Others offered more sweeping condemnations. Alex Jones, the conspiracy theorist behind the site Infowars, suggested that the mass shooting was a “false flag” orchestrated by anti-gun groups. Mr. Limbaugh, on his radio program, said of the student activists on Monday: “Everything they’re doing is right out of the Democrat Party’s various playbooks. It has the same enemies: the N.R.A. and guns.”


    By Tuesday, that argument had migrated to CNN. In an on-air appearance, Jack Kingston, a former United States representative from Georgia and a regular CNN commentator, asked, “Do we really think — and I say this sincerely — do we really think 17-year-olds on their own are going to plan a nationwide rally?” (He was quickly rebuked by the anchor Alyson Camerota.)

    Conspiracies, wild and raw online, are often pasteurized on their way into the mainstream. A subtler version of the theory appeared Tuesday on the website of Bill O’Reilly, the ousted Fox News host. Mr. O’Reilly stopped short of saying the students had been planted by anti-Trump forces. But, he wrote: “The national press believes it is their job to destroy the Trump administration by any means necessary. So if the media has to use kids to do that, they’ll use kids.”

    Some of those who have been spreading the conspiracies are facing consequences.

    Benjamin Kelly, an aide to a Florida state representative, Shawn Harrison, emailed a Tampa Bay Times reporter on Tuesday accusing Mr. Hogg and a classmate, Emma Gonzalez, of being actors that travel to the sites of crises.

    Mr. Kelly was soon fired.

    “I made a mistake whereas I tried to inform a reporter of information relating to his story regarding a school shooting,” Mr. Kelly tweeted. “I meant no disrespect to the students or parents of Parkland.” His boss, Mr. Harrison, said on Twitter that he was “appalled” by Mr. Kelly’s remarks.

    But by Tuesday evening, a new conspiracy was dominating Gateway Pundit’s home page. “Soros-Linked Organizers of ‘Women’s March’ Selected Anti-Trump Kids to Be Face of Parkland Tragedy,” read the headline. Within an hour, it had been shared on Facebook more than 150 times.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/20/business/media/parkland-shooting-media-conspiracy.html
     
  3. exGOPer

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  4. exGOPer

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    It hadn't even been one week since a gunman murdered 17 people at a high school in Parkland, Florida, before the conspiracy theories about the surviving students began bubbling up.

    David Hogg, a student journalist who documented the shootings as they happened, was a "crisis actor" -- someone who didn't even attend Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. He and several other "students" speaking out about the need for legislative action on guns were plants by gun control advocates -- professional rabble-rousers aiming to take political advantage of a tragedy.
    "Both kids in the picture are not students here but actors that travel to various crisis when they happen," an aide to state Rep. Shawn Harrison told the Tampa Bay Times' Alex Leary on Tuesday. (The aide was later fired.)

    Or the students were plants of the FBI, because Hogg's father is a retired FBI agent.
    "Why would the child of an FBI agent be used as a pawn for anti-Trump rhetoric and anti-gun legislation?" asked the conservative blog Gateway Pundit. "Because the FBI is only looking to curb YOUR Constitutional rights and INCREASE their power. We've seen similar moves by them many times over. This is just another disgusting example of it."
    Or Hogg and his classmates are simply being used by national liberal groups to forward the longtime goal of limiting the rights of gun owners.
    "Do we really think — and I say this sincerely — do we really think 17-year-olds on their own are going to plan a nationwide rally," said former Georgia Republican Rep. Jack Kingston in an interview with CNN's "New Day" on Tuesday.
    None of these theories are true. Hogg, as confirmed by Broward County School Superintendent Robert Runcie, is a student at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. That his father is a retired FBI agent is an interesting but largely irrelevant fact. And there's simply no evidence that George Soros -- as Kingston suggested -- or any other major liberal activist or donor was involved in organizing the trip the students took to Tallahassee on Tuesday night or the national rally for gun control being planned for next month.
    The lack of verifiable facts to prop up these conspiracy theories has done little to stop their spread, however.
    As Michael Grynbaum notes in a terrific piece for The New York Times:
    "In written posts and YouTube videos — one of which had more than 100,000 views as of Tuesday night — Gateway Pundit has argued that Mr. Hogg had been coached on what to say during his interviews. The notion that Mr. Hogg is merely protecting his father dovetails with a broader right-wing trope, that liberal forces in the F.B.I. are trying to undermine President Trump and his pro-Second Amendment supporters."
    To be clear: Conspiracy theorists have always existed. We didn't actually land on the moon. The terror attacks of September 11, 2001, were an inside job. The murders of children at Sandy Hook elementary school didn't actually happen.
    And the arrival of the Internet has allowed these conspiracy theorists to connect with one another, providing an infinite feedback loop of affirmation for their zaniness.
    But there's another factor that has poured fuel on the fire of conspiracy theories like the noxious ones coming out of Florida this week: the election of President Donald Trump.
    Remember that the genesis of Trump's political relevance can be directly traced to a conspiracy theory: The disproven idea, relentlessly promoted by Trump earlier this decade, that then-President Barack Obama was not born in the United States.
    Trump's flogging of that fallacy earned him credibility within some segments of the conservative movement ready to believe the absolute worst about Obama and support anyone willing to say it.
    Trump's 2016 presidential candidacy was replete with conspiracy theories. Muslims were celebrating on New Jersey rooftops on 9/11. Former Clinton aide Vince Foster didn't actually commit suicide. Ted Cruz's father may have been involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy. The late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia died under suspicious circumstances. The infamous "Access Hollywood" tape might be a fake. Several million votes were cast illegally, costing Trump a popular vote victory.
    You get the idea. Trump is someone who has taken conspiracy theories from the fringe to the center of the national conversation. He has mainstreamed not only specific conspiracies but also conspiratorial thinking.
    At the root of Trump's entire political ethos is the idea that "they" aren't telling you the whole story. That the elites are protecting themselves by hiding inconvenient facts from the people. They always have been. And they'll never stop.
    Trump's embrace of conspiracy theories provides a massive amount of cover for those who peddle in this filth. Even if he doesn't specifically give voice to the idea that the Parkland murders were some sort of false flag operation designed to engender anti-gun sentiment, he has already made the sort of conspiratorial thinking that gives rise to these ideas part and parcel of our everyday dialogue
    If liberals could find a way to cast millions of illegal votes, after all, why couldn't they also find a way to exploit and engineer reaction to a school shooting?
    This is the broader -- and less covered -- impact of Trump's fundamental re-imagining of what a president can and should mean to our country and the world. Whether or not Trump agrees with any of the conspiracy theories about Parkland pinging around the Internet and conservative talk radio, he has enabled them -- by his past words and actions -- to get a far broader hearing than they deserve. And that's a damn shame.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/21/politics/crisis-actors-analysis/index.html
     
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  5. The boys won't say anything.

    @Scataphagos who quotes Inforwars will just look at his shoes I guess? He defends Jones despite everything, does he think the shooting was false flag?

    One thing has become clear, part of the reason Trump was close to the National Enquirer & Alex Jones, Rupert Murdock etc. were they acted as his sink trap for "catch and kill" of his whores going to the tabloids with their stories.
     
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  7. Cuddles

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  8. exGOPer

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    She has zero chance to win that district but nobody is surprised that this is the new normal for right wingers, they had gone off the deep end since a black man became President.
     
  9. Cuddles

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    cultist GQP MAGAtards reaching deep for new lows:

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/epn...ivor-qanon-convinced-my-dad-it-was-all-a-hoax

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    Bill’s final semester at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, was already difficult enough.

    He was part of the final graduating class of survivors of the 2018 shooting
    , and they all had just marked the third anniversary of the day 17 people were killed, nine of whom were Bill’s classmates.

    But Bill also had to deal with his father’s daily accusations that the shooting was a hoax and that the shooter, Bill, and all his classmates were paid pawns in a grand conspiracy orchestrated by some shadowy force.

    Bill had worked hard to get over his survivor’s guilt after the shooting, but for the past five months, his own father has been triggering it all over again.

    “He'll say stuff like this straight to my face whenever he's drinking: ‘You're a real piece of work to be able to sit here and act like nothing ever happened if it wasn't a hoax. Shame on you for being part of it and putting your family through it too,”
    Bill said in an anonymous post on Reddit last week.

    Bill first posted his story on QAnon Casualties, a Reddit thread dedicated to helping family members and friends of QAnon believers.

    VICE News spoke to the poster and confirmed the author’s claims about being a survivor of the school shooting.
    Bill is not the student’s real name as they only spoke to VICE News on the condition of anonymity, citing concerns about attacks from members of QAnon forums if his identity was revealed.

    As is true for many who fell down the QAnon rabbit hole in recent years, Bill’s dad’s descent coincided with the pandemic.

    “It started a couple months into the pandemic with the whole anti-lockdown protests,” Bill said. “His feelings were so strong it turned into facts for him. So if he didn't like having to wear masks it wouldn't matter what doctors or scientists said. Anything that contradicted his feelings was wrong. So he turned to the internet to find like-minded people which led him to QAnon.”

    But until January, that was as far as it went. Then Bill’s father saw a video of Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene harassing Parkland survivor David Hogg in 2018, while he was visiting Washington to advocate for stricter gun control. Greene has repeatedly voiced support for QAnon and claimed the Parkland shooting was a hoax.

    “He is a coward,” Greene told her followers.

    Ever since then, Bill’s father has become convinced the shooting his son survived was a so-called “false flag” event and that the shooter was “a radical commie actor.”

    “From there it snowballed into what he is today, believing that if the government is able to overthrow an election, then everything else is probably a lie too,” Bill added.

    Bill is 18, and now that he’s graduated high school he’s looking to get out of the toxic situation he finds himself in.

    “I do have options that can have me out before August, which as of now I'm planning to do,”
    Bill said. “I've been delaying it because I've felt stuck trying to ‘fix’ my dad.”

    But Bill said that after he posted his story on Reddit, members of the QAnon Casualties community have been able to help him “push through that obligation I felt and leave before I completely lose my mind, because I'm already halfway there.”

    Over the course of the last four years, but in particular since the beginning of the COVID-19 lockdown, the QAnon conspiracy cult has been tearing families apart, and many family members say their loved ones have transformed into different people in front of their eyes.

    “Burgundy-colored T-shirts [the color shirt worn by the shooter] make me uncomfortable and he used to be so understanding he stopped wearing it around me. That person is completely gone and I miss him so fucking much,”
    Bill said in his Reddit post.

    Bill says his relationship with his mother has also suffered.

    “The relationship with my mom is dependent on whether my dad is there or not, ’cause then it's pretty much all about conspiracy theories,” Bill told VICE News. “[The relationship] used to be fine but deteriorating quickly, [especially] after telling her that if she doesn't start putting her foot down, I'm leaving with no interest in seeing my dad again.”

    But despite the threats to leave home, Bill’s mother has not stood up to his dad.

    “It's not really going anywhere because she's too naive to think he'll magically get over wanting to constantly retraumatize me and I'm not waiting around for that,”
    Bill told VICE News.

    Bill also says he’s been unable to talk to any of his fellow survivors about what he has been going through with this father.

    “I never talked about it with them,” Bill told VICE News. “As far as I know he's only held that belief—at least so strongly—since January. Our last semester was difficult enough with Feb. 14 marking 3 years since the shooting, along with emotions leading up to us being the last class of survivors to graduate.”

    “It wasn't—and still isn't—easy to bottle up, but telling them my dad thinks the absolute hell we went through, where nine of the victims were in our class, is a hoax is not a pain I want to put on them. It's difficult enough knowing that belief even exists at all.”

    At this point, Bill has little hope in ever seeing his father return to the person he was before he became obsessed with QAnon conspiracy theories, and even if he did, too much has happened to ever repair their relationship.

    “He'll never stop on his own, because there are always new theories and goalposts being moved,” Bill said. “I don't know how to help someone that far gone. My guess is restricted access to the internet and lots of therapy. But even if there was hope he'd eventually snap out of it, it wouldn't change my mind on never wanting to see him again. So it doesn't really matter anymore.
     
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