CME tag 37 changes, anyone have thoughts on this?

Discussion in 'Order Execution' started by i960, Mar 21, 2017.

  1. i960

    i960

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  2. Gotcha

    Gotcha

    Interesting. Although I'm fairly unfamiliar with the complexities of what you post, it does appear that perhaps now, we will almost be able to really say "they hunted my stops!"

    It sounds like if you don't opt in, your orders will be segregated, and hence not consolidated, and hence you will stand out perhaps as the lone sheep waiting to be picked off?

    Never mind being able to see if a trade was a market order on the bid or ask, what would be amazing would be to see if the trade originated at Goldman Sacks or just some IB account. :)

    I do agree with you that it sure sounds like this might be something that HFT might be able to benefit from.
     
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  3. xandman

    xandman

    Sounds like customer profiling for the purpose of collusion.

    It makes it easier to eat small fish. Why run your HFT algos full throttle if you are amongst a bunch similar algos?

    I'm totally disgusted.
     
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  4. southall

    southall

    It is the orderId, not the account Id, so i cant see how it would identify which customer it is.
     
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  5. Zzzz1

    Zzzz1

    Agree. And if I read this correctly then customers need to opt in to have the ID displayed.

    Some other markets even identify market makers by id tagged to price levels posted in the order book.

     
  6. i960

    i960

    Nope, the point is that after the 27th it's no longer opt-in. 1091 pre-anon does nothing then.

    What I'm trying to determine here is what's the point of this change? How is this more "transparent?"
     
  7. i960

    i960



    This kinda hints at the fact that a single order-id, even if it can't be traced back to a unique entity, still reveals info (such as size).
     
  8. Zzzz1

    Zzzz1

    Thanks for clarifying, well, with the order ID you can now track what happens to orders. You can see how frequently orders are amended, such as price level adjustments. You will still not be able to pinpoint the orders and trace them to the client but at least you can keep track of orders and how frequently they are amended and/or how long they stay in the book. It may potentially be of value to certain players, such as DMA VWAP algorithms.

     
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  9. Zzzz1

    Zzzz1

    I think the below quote explains the benefit very clearly....

    "Order Identifier – Tag 37-OrderID
    This value is assigned by CME Globex and is unique across all iLink sessions and market segments. This value remains constant through the life of the order and allows customers to track all activity related to the order"



     
  10. Lee-

    Lee-

    Think "queue position".
     
    #10     Mar 22, 2017
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