CBS4 Investigation Finds Dead Voters Casting Ballots In Colorado

Discussion in 'Politics' started by JamesL, Sep 23, 2016.

  1. JamesL

    JamesL

    DENVER (CBS4) – A CBS4 investigation has found multiple cases of dead men and women voting in Colorado months and in some cases years after their deaths, a revelation that calls into question safeguards designed to prevent such occurrences.

    “We do believe there were several instances of potential vote fraud that occurred,” said Colorado Secretary of State Wayne Williams after reviewing the CBS4 findings. “It shows there is the potential for fraud.”

    The cases of dead men and women casting ballots ranged from El Paso County in southern Colorado to Denver and Jefferson County. CBS4 discovered the fraudulent voting by comparing databases of voting histories in Colorado against a federal death database.

    The CBS4 investigation has triggered criminal investigations in El Paso and Jefferson counties along with a broad investigation by the Colorado Secretary of State’s office.

    “It’s not a perfect system. There are some gaps,” acknowledged Williams.

    One of the most glaring cases was that of Sara Sosa in Colorado Springs. She died on Oct. 14, 2009. However, CBS4 uncovered voting records that showed ballots cast for Sosa in 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013. Her husband, Miguel, died on Sept. 26, 2008. But CBS4 unearthed records showing that a vote was cast in his name the next year, 2009.

    “That’s illegal,” said El Paso County Clerk and Recorder Chuck Broerman, who called the CBS4 findings “very serious.”

    “I was shocked and surprised at this,” said Broerman. “This cannot happen. We cannot have this here or anyplace in our country. Our democracy depends on it. People have spilled their blood for the values and underpinnings and beliefs of this country.”

    Broerman said after their deaths, the Sosas remained on active voter rolls and mail ballots were still sent to their home because they did not meet the criteria to have their names deleted from eligible voter rolls.

    “Somebody was able to cast a vote that was not theirs to cast,” concluded Broerman.

    CBS4 visited the Sosa’s Colorado Springs home and contacted their daughter, Sarilu Sosa-Sanchez, who refused to discuss the fraudulent ballots.

    “Go talk to someone else,” said Sosa-Sanchez.

    When told CBS4 was investigating voter fraud, the woman said “I don’t know what that has to do with me.”

    Voting officials have now asked the Jefferson County District Attorney to look into another dead voting case discovered by CBS4, that of Nell Cluck.

    “Ma” Cluck, as she was known, died Feb. 1, 2009. However, nine months later Cluck managed to vote in an election.

    “I think mom would be really unhappy about it,” said her son, Jim Cluck. “I think mom would be really disheartened to know somebody used her name to do something that she didn’t have any input into. If mom passes away and nine months later someone votes for her, that’s not right.”

    A spokesperson for the Jefferson County District Attorney’s office confirmed the Secretary of State had recently requested a probe of the Cluck case.

    Then there’s John Grosso of Denver, a father, grandfather and World War II veteran who died Dec. 13, 2004. Records show though that Grosso then voted at a polling place two years later, in a 2006 primary election.

    “I think that’s a disgrace,” said his son, John.

    “The man is dead. He can’t vote. Somebody is cheating.”

    Administrators with the Secretary of State’s Office believe Grosso’s vote may have been an error by an election judge.

    But the broader question is why Grosso — and dozens of others — were still listed as active voters months and sometimes years after their deaths. State voting officials say they can only delete names from voting rolls if a number of precise criteria from death databases are met: names must be spelled precisely right, dates of birth must be correct and addresses must match. They say in many cases minor errors on the voter rolls or death databases leave election officials no choice but to leave dead people registered, leading to potential fraud and mistaken votes.

    Out of approximately 2 million votes cast in Colorado’s last election cycle, 8,000 ballots were not counted when signatures did not match. The importance of finding and weeding out fraudulent votes is underlined by the 2002 election in Colorado’s 7th Congressional district. That race was decided by 121 votes out of more than 175,000 that were cast. In Ohio in 2010, a tax measure passed by just two votes.

    Following the CBS4 investigation, the Colorado Secretary of State’s office reviewed the CBS4 findings and confirmed at least 78 dead voters remained eligible to vote. Lynn Bartels, a spokesperson for the Secretary of State’s office, said county clerks were notified and told to immediately remove those 78 names from voter rolls. Bartels said “It’s not clear why” those dead citizens were still being listed as eligible voters.

    Chuck Broerman said what CBS4 found “undermines our system. It does dilute your vote in a small way.”

    Williams said measures implemented in 2015 should reduce the number of dead voters casting ballots in Colorado, but he noted that the CBS4 investigation indicates further measures might be necessary.

    “It’s not a perfect system,” said Williams, “It is impossible to vote from the grave legally.”

    CBS4 Investigator Brian Maass has been with the station more than 30 years uncovering waste, fraud and corruption. Follow him on Twitter@Briancbs4.

    http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/09/...inds-dead-voters-casting-ballots-in-colorado/
     
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  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    So much for the claims by the left that there is no voting fraud.

    It appears from other reports that these dead people voted in person and not by absentee ballot... so obviously voter picture ids would have helped solve this problem.
     
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  3. This is funny.

    I grew up in a working class neighborhood in Philadelphia and voting day was looked forward to by all the neighborhood slackers. On that day the local political workers would get the 'rummies' (as we used to call them) to vote...multiple times.. for $2 a vote. They would give these guys a name to vote under and who to vote for and give them the $2 afterwards... which they would immediately take to the bar on the corner and slake their thirst.

    As I remember the party that controlled my neighborhood was the Dems...but I believe that other neighborhoods had a like system for Repubs.

    Does this still go on?? Probably...and I can tell you that no local worker will deny a voter his opportunity to vote just because his ID is for a guy we put in the ground last month.

    When local politicians talk about poll workers or whatever they call them these days...

    :)
     
    Last edited: Sep 23, 2016
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    The equivalent in North Carolina is the busloads of people that Democratic party affiliated groups bring to the polls each major general election cycle. Those of use who live in the voting precinct wonder where these people live because none of us have ever seen any of them before.

    On the bus these people are indoctrinated on how to vote straight ticket Democratic. When they get back on the bus after voting (proudly displaying the "I Voted" sticker) each is given a $25 dollar gift card to Walmart. I don't understand why giving people the equivalent of cash to vote is not illegal.

    After which I assume the bus merely drives to the next precinct.
     
  5. JamesL

    JamesL

    FBI Investigating After Dead People Registered To Vote In Swing State

    One case came to light after relatives of a deceased man received a note congratulating him for registering, Rockingham County Commonwealth’s Attorney Marsha Garst said Thursday.

    “His family members were very distraught,” said Garst, who confirmed the existence of the FBI and police investigation but said she could provide few details because the case is ongoing.

    All 19 were initially registered as voters in the Shenandoah Valley city of Harrisonburg, Virginia, which is roughly 130 miles from Washington, D.C., although a clerk double-checking the entries later raised questions about one. She recognized the name of Richard Allen Claybrook Sr., who died in 2014 at age 87, because his son is a well-known local judge. She happened to recall that the judge’s father had died.

    “He was a retired Fairfax County elementary school principal and had fought in World War II,” said his son, retired Harrisonburg General District Court Judge Richard Allen Claybrook Jr. “So our family is very disgusted that they would pick his name because he was such a law-abiding citizen devoted to public service.”

    All of the forms had been submitted by a private group that was working to register voters on the campus of James Madison University, according to the Harrisonburg registrar’s office. The group was not identified. No charges have been filed.

    Republicans in the state House of Delegates, who in recent years have supported tighter voter ID laws, held a conference call with reporters to call attention to the investigation.

    “Oftentimes we hear our Democratic colleagues suggest that voter fraud doesn’t exist in Virginia, or it’s a myth,” House Speaker William Howell, R-Stafford, said. “This is proof that voter fraud not only exists but is ongoing and is a threat to the integrity of our elections.”

    House Minority Leader David Toscano, D-Charlottesville, said the case was not proof of voter fraud since no one had actually managed to cast a vote in the names of the dead.

    “First of all, there was no voter fraud – they caught him,” Toscano said. “Nobody cast a vote. … There’s still no evidence of that going on in the state. But there is evidence every time you turn around that the Republicans are trying to make it more difficult for citizens to vote in elections.”

    http://breaking911.com/fbi-investigating-dead-people-registered-vote-swing-state/
     
  6. wildchild

    wildchild

    This is just another voter suppression attempt. The republicans hate these people just because they are dead. Why should the dead be discriminated against?
     
  7. There is no vote fraud. I read it in the Washington Post so it must be true.
     
  8. Tom B

    Tom B

  9. ho hum. Not proven and is so minor a problem as to be essentially non-existant. Yes, voter id laws ate all about repressing the dem vote. The reptiles have admitted that.

    The right just hates that minorities have full voting rights. Only white men should vote.
     
  10. Ricter

    Ricter

    No one has said there is no voter fraud.
     
    #10     Oct 2, 2016