Canadian province Ontario plans to trial universal basic income

Discussion in 'Economics' started by Tsing Tao, Mar 8, 2016.

  1. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    I'm torn on the whole concept of a basic income. Certainly it would spur inflation. Certainly it could save costs if it replaced existing welfare programs. But how long until prices rose to make the amount not enough, and result in a viscous circle of raising the amount and chasing inflation?


    Canadian province Ontario plans to trial universal basic income

    'As Ontario’s economy grows, the government remains committed to leaving no one behind'
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    Ontario has announced it could soon be sending a monthly cheque to its residents as it plans to launch an experiment testing the basic income concept.

    While officials in the Canadian province are yet to release any specific details of the project – including how much will be given to residents who participate – the finance ministry has published a report confirming the government’s intention to roll out the experiment.

    The general concept of basic income involves a government handing out a flat-rate income to every single citizen within a country, either by replacing existing benefits or to top them up.

    Proponents of the idea say it would save on welfare administration costs, reduce the poverty traps of traditional welfare states, be fair to people who have jobs, and give people more autonomy in general.

    In Britain, the think tank Royal Society for the encouragement of Arts, Manufactures and Commerce has proposed a system of universal income that would give a basic amount to fit, working-age people that it believes would still give a strong incentive to these people to work. It suggests providing an income of £3,692 for all qualifying citizens between 25 and 65, or £308 per month.

    “As Ontario’s economy grows, the government remains committed to leaving no one behind. Maintaining an effective social safety net is one part of the government’s broader efforts to reduce poverty and ensure inclusion in communities and the economy,” Ontario’s budget statement said.

    “As Ontario’s economy grows, the government remains committed to leaving no one behind. Maintaining an effective social safety net is one part of the government’s broader efforts to reduce poverty and ensure inclusion in communities and the economy,”

    It added: “The pilot project will test a growing view at home and abroad that basic income could build on the success of minimum wage policies and increases in child benefits by providing more consistent and predictable support in the context of today’s dynamic labour market.

    “The pilot would also test whether a basic income would provide a more efficient way of delivering income support, strengthen the attachment to the labour force, and achieve savings in other areas such as health care and housing supports. The government will work with communities, researchers and other stakeholders in 2016 to determine how best to implement a Basic Income pilot.”

    Last month Jean-Yves Duclos, the minister of families, children and social development, appeared to endorse the idea, telling the Globe and Mail that the concept had merit as a policy for the government to consider.

    “There are many different types of guaranteed minimum income. There are many different versions. I’m personally pleased that people are interested in the idea,” said Mr. Duclos, who is spearheading the Canadian poverty-reduction strategy.

    In Britain, the concept of basic income has been gathering attention in recent months. During the 2015 general election it was a flagship policy of the Green Party and in January Caroline Lucas, the Green Party MP, called on the Governement to commission research into the idea of paying all citizens a flat, unconditional income, which would likely come in place of existing social security measures like means tested benefits.

    “The basic income offers genuine social security to everyone and sweeps away most of the bureaucracy of the current welfare system,” Lucas told The Independent in January.
    In February John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, said the Labour party would not rule out a basic income for all members of society during a talk at the London School of Economics.

    “It's an idea we want to look at. Child benefit was a form of basic income so it's not something that I would rule out,” he said.
     
  2. one of Milton Friedmans better ideas
     
  3. zdreg

    zdreg

    that is an understatement.

    indexing of public money leads to high inflation or hyperinflation because governments print money to pay for their giveaways i.e. argentina, brazil, venezuela etc. etc. , which leads to the eventual collapse of the currency.
     
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  4. speedo

    speedo

    The bigger challenge is making people productive.
     
  5. Jones75

    Jones75

    I'd be thrilled if Ontario brought in re-call legislation before the place goes bankrupt.
     
  6. Cswim63

    Cswim63

    They don't believe in bankruptcy, therefore it does not exist.
     
  7. Jones75

    Jones75

  8. Countries "open Pandora's box" when they decide it's a good thing to hand out freebies* in exchange for political support.

    *There are no genuine "freebies", of course. Just distribution of property from the makers to the takers.
     
    Last edited: Mar 9, 2016
  9. Cswim63

    Cswim63

    The people who might protest are too tired to say anything after coming home from their second job