Can AI and a supercomputer beat the markets?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Tiney Winey, Mar 24, 2024.

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  2. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    Can AI and a supercomputer beat the markets?

    I don't know about "beat".... but I suspect in less than a decade's time, the intraday volatility that we all enjoy now across any basket of stocks, futures, or indexes, .... is gonna go away.

    The 4 or 5 powerhouses out there, Bridgewater, Citadel, Man, Renaissance, etc..... don't think they aren't in an all out AI spending frenzy right now. And that money being spent isn't to beat retail traders, it's being spent to beat each other. The game gets tighter and tighter, and outside of a few one off occurrences... it gets closer and closer to a stalemate.

    The volatility curve is going to flatten... it has to if one considers the power of AI being forecast. And outside of that, the only way retail will make any money is by going back to the basics... the Peter Lynch stuff. And it won't be retail "traders" making any money, because they'll become a dying breed. It'll be those that buy stocks for the real reason they ever came into existence in the first place. Take a teeny tiny ownership stake in a company you think is growing by throwing in as much as you can afford, think long term, and go about your daily paycheck to paycheck existence banking on a retirement that will hopefully come in if your FA homework was right. The writing is on the wall for anyone with enough foresight to see it.
    ~vz
     
  3. maxinger

    maxinger

    Only 10% of the traders/investors make it.

    Similarly, not all AIs can make it.

    Some AIs might suffer from
    mental breakdowns, or
    go crazy.

    They might
    do revenge trade, or
    do average down, or
    do kamikaze / countertrend trading
    ....

    like what humans with EMOTIONS are doing.
     
  4. schizo

    schizo

    Or that the entire financial market will be extinct after this...

    [​IMG]
     
  5. "Castle Ridge's chief scientific officer, Alex Bogdan...."

    Alex, in case no one noticed, is ET's own Maestro.

    As Destriero pointed out in an earlier post, Castle Ridge, after getting off to a pretty good start, has taken a big hit in the last couple of years, and has hemorrhaged AUM.
     
  6. 2rosy

    2rosy

    How can a LLM ai approach beat the market? Any example?
    I can see how it could be used in chats, voice calls, prospectuses, rfqs, providing color, summaries,..
     
  7. It's all in the selective breeding aka genetic algorithms /s
     
  8. smallfil

    smallfil

    Renaissance Technologies and Jim Simons has been doing it for a while now, using algorithms to beat the US stockmarket. It is highly likely, they are using super computers to crunch the numbers, as their models are based on mathematical algorithms.
     
  9. 2rosy

    2rosy

    is that AI? do mathematical algorithms need a super computer?
     
  10. smallfil

    smallfil

    Why don't you ask Jim Simons yourself, since you are the genius?
     
    #10     Mar 25, 2024
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