Bitcoin coins vs Bitcoin CME futures, what is the best way to go long?

Discussion in 'Crypto Assets' started by Daal, Nov 19, 2020.

  1. Daal

    Daal

    What are the pros and cons of each?

    From the top of my head

    CME Futures Pros
    -No hacking risk
    -No hassle with storing the coins and worry about losing private keys/hardware wallets
    -More cash/margin efficient

    Cons
    -Rollover costs
    -Fixed position sizing at 5 BTC, hard to scale in and out unless you have a large account

    Actual BTC Coins Pros
    -You get own the forks as they come along, if you sell them right away and put the proceeds in BTC, its like a dividend of sorts
    -It helps you understand the technology better
    -Althogh it might be risky, you get generate an yield lending out your BTC (not that this is recommended)
    -Easy to scale in and out

    Cons
    -Hacking or theft risk
    -You might type the wrong address and lose all your coins in a transaction
    -You might lose your keys, hardware wallet, etc and lose all your coins
    -Its a hassle wiring money to exchanges. They lose bank relationships all the time
    -Some countries might consider moving a lot of money in coins around as an AML trigger

    What are some other pros and cons?
     
  2. gkishot

    gkishot

    Futures are taxed mark to market. Plus they can be traded in the same account as other assets.
     
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  3. One additional idea is to buy the stock GBTC. Sure, there are a bunch of folks who will argue that there is too much of a premium but if you're just looking for some bitcoin upside, it's an easy way to play it - especially in retirement accounts, etc.
     
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  4. Trader Curt

    Trader Curt

    Some of those cons for actual Bitcoins are just stupid user error. If you are too lazy to double check then triple check your address, that you should have copied and pasted to begin with, then it's your own fault. I have done over thousands of transfers, and not once have I ever screwed up a wallet address. That would just be pure stupidity.

    Yes there is always the threat of hacking, but just about all exchanges have ramped up their security, and mostly because they reimburse the stolen funds when there is a hacking. And even when hackers hack an exchange they only get away with a few hacked accounts out of the millions of accounts that are on the exchange. Plus if you are that paranoid about your funds being hacked, you can send your coins to your own personal wallet. The chances of hackers hacking that go from .01% to .00001%

    If you do your own research you can make trading crypto as painless as possible, it takes patience and some common sense.
     
    Last edited: Nov 19, 2020
  5. tsznecki

    tsznecki

    @Daal Based on our conversations you already have physical BTC, what's wrong with staying the current course? I presume you already have your security figured out.
     
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  6. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    What is sending your money into thin air between friends? I mean your money will safely circulate in the pipes of the interweb forever and ever.
     
  7. traider

    traider

    Figure out how to make money trading it first. Then worry about the details when you need to scale it up
     
  8. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    Since the premium is pretty high, you could sell cash covered puts on a monthly base. If the rally stops, you still make money, time works for you. If the price drops, you get assigned and you will own it. Then you can sell calls on it.

    For options:

    https://www.deribit.com

    Edit: No US residents.
     
    Last edited: Nov 20, 2020
  9. cesfx

    cesfx

    If it's for long term holding I would buy the coins and store it cold offline, even on paper wallets with back up.
    I have not shopped for years but I know some exchange like coinbase are now offering cold storage vaults.
    For short term trading any decent derivatives should do.