Biden's interesting tactics in curtailing Russia's invasion of Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by JSOP, Jan 9, 2022.

  1. JSOP

    JSOP

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/b...ia-over-ukraine-01641676844?mod=mw_latestnews

    Offering carrots?? By restricting legitimate military exercises in Eastern Europe. REALLY?!! This is his idea of "carrots"? By restricting doing something that's legal and legitimate in order to induce somebody to stop doing something illegal?? Restricting military exercises in Eastern Europe by not just America but all NATO countries for Russia to back off from Ukraine is like you offering to your neighbour that you will stop eating on your own backyard porch so your neighbour can stop bringing guns onto your lawns. Is this guy for real??

    And his stick?? Economic sanctions and export embargos?? In case Biden hasn't noticed, Russia is now rich. His oligarchy billionaires are buying up multiple properties in New York's Upper East Side, the richest district in the entire Manhattan. And export embargos?? You think Russia gives it a s***? When its hackers and software engineers are smarter than the ones who design the software in the USA? And further embargo, USA is going to run out of countries to export its stuff to.

    Can't believe Biden is negotiating with Russia in the first place. Russia invading a legitimate sovereign country like Ukraine is a terrorist act. What happens to not negotiating with terrorists?? Biden is worse than Jimmy Carter. This is concerning and sad.
     
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  2. UsualName

    UsualName

    Russia is rich, you say? No. Russia will fight and invade though.

    That’s for sure.

    Trying to make sense of this can be difficult though. The west would like to see Eastern Europe become less “oligarchal” and authoritarian- we want more democracy east. And believe it or not, in their own Eastern European way the Ukrainians have moved toward eastern interests. Right?

    This has been bubbling for a while because from what we understand Putin sees the US as the ultimate arbiter of Russian control over Eastern Europe, mainly Ukraine. This is all fallout from the Cold War loss the Russians suffered and being relegated to a second class power, both militarily and economically.

    The Ukrainian President is Zelenski (sp), he’s a character but they all are but he came in with promises to cool Russian tensions but cut the Russian point man out of Ukrainian influence, some guy with an “m” name like Medveduck or something, back in 2018 after some big negotiations. So Russia once hopeful sees Zelinski as a failure for curbing the west. They were disappointed in the guy before, Poroshenko or something too.

    Now understand all the while we are increasing arms to Ukraine. And I mean big arms like javelin missiles that will take out tanks. If you know anything about Russia, they attack with tanks in the winter. It’s their strength, it’s how they fight. These are no joke arms, they will rock Russia’s tanks and can potentially do real damage to the Russian military arsenal if the Ukrainians fully unload. Once something like that happens though it get hot and the Russians aren’t going to take big losses without moving deep into Ukraine.

    So here we are, the Russians have lost faith in Ukraine to buffer western democracy interests. They want to turn public opinion against leaders in Ukraine that are not pro Russian so they are threatening to take a piece of Ukraine to influence Ukraine that way.

    The Russians have problems though. The Ukrainians can do real damage. The west can impose very restrictive sanctions, theyre a dollar based economy. And things are not exactly cool at home and now they are dealing with a faltering Kazakhstan.

    And that’s what it is. Trying to break this down to “negotiate with terrorists” jargon doesn’t help anything. Things are different for Russia today, they are seeing themselves as still losing the Cold War and want to reverse that. Their only problem is will this latest stunt end up weakening their position or can they get a settlement with the west. We’ll see.
     
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  3. JSOP

    JSOP

    No the way I see it is Russia doesn't give a s*** about US and the West anymore and flexing its military muscles to invade Ukraine is its way of showing it. US' abrupt and humiliating withdraw from Afghanistan sent clear signals to all of the West's foes that US and the West is weak and it's time to take advantage of it to take back what they've always wanted to take back. Today, Russia is trying to take back Ukraine and tomorrow it will be China that's taking over Taiwan. And the day after tomorrow it will be another country invading countries that were annexed from them during whatever wars or treaties from the past. Countries that have allied with the US and the West that are sort of under US and the West's stewardship will be falling one by one. This is what I am seeing.

    I don't know what kind of tricks Biden has up his sleeves but so far, I am seeing nothing but blunders after blunders from Biden.
     
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  4. UsualName

    UsualName

    No. I’m sorry but it’s more complicated than that and very much has to do with Ukraine leadership moving away from Russia. They want to get the people of Ukraine to elect, or they want to install, more Russian friendly leadership. The javelin missiles are huge and the Russians are more likely calculating now or never if Ukraine builds up significantly more defenses.

    We can talk about China and Taiwan if you want too.

    But what I will say is now we are thinking like globalists. And the question then becomes how much of the globe can we possibly effectively control? How much American forces and wealth do we put into other countries? Is our military and intelligence budget big enough? Is this spending really sustainable?

    Big, big questions. You have to think this stuff through.
     
  5. ipatent

    ipatent

    The closer the missiles are, the less time leaders have to make a launch decision of their own. THat's why Kennedy agreed to remove the missiles from Turkey after the Cuban missile crisis. It gave both sides more time and made the world safer.
     
  6. userque

    userque

    Wait! Did Russia invade Ukraine by the time of this post?
    Wait! Did Russia invade Ukraine by the time of this post?
    Wait! So NO! Russia has not invaded Ukraine by the time of this post!!

    So why is OP criticizing Biden as though the invasion took place, and Biden is negotiating with Russia after that terrorist act?

    Another clear example

    Dumbest Generation Ever.
     
  7. JSOP

    JSOP

    Ukraine should've never been under Russia's grasp in the first place. It's been an independent country since the end of the USSR and that is like what, almost 30 years ago? And its leadership is just moving away from Russia now??!! LOL What have they been doing for the last 30 years??

    America has always been a globalist. The president of the United States is NOT just the head of the state of the United States. No, it's also the leader of the free world. The free world that's having less and less influence in the world and that is very concerning.
     
  8. JSOP

    JSOP

    Biden's tactic is ineffective and weak. Wake up, sheeple!!
     
  9. UsualName

    UsualName

    Im sorry but the constitution is pretty clear about presidential powers. The leader of the free world is at best a platitude based on idealism.

    It’s probably fair to say post world war 2 America has been fully globalist but certainly not always. As a matter of fact we were precisely warned about becoming globalist by many of the founding fathers.

    As to what Ukraine has been doing for the last 30 years, Eastern Europe is pretty wild but no they haven’t exactly been a beacon of freedom and democracy.

    It’s a mess in Eastern Europe. NATO is the proper route but Putin wants one in one negotiations with America. We, America, don’t owe Ukraine anything. They have plenty of arms and if the Euros want to leverage NATO I’m all for that too, but no way is this an America in the lead situation.
     
  10. Ricter

    Ricter

    Maybe Russia will back off if we offer to build the greatest hotel in Moscow.
     
    #10     Jan 10, 2022