Beware of this behaviour

Discussion in 'Commodity Futures' started by TraDaToR, Aug 30, 2024.

  1. TraDaToR

    TraDaToR

    Hello,

    If you are tired of the bot constantly improving your best bid/ask on CME illiquid markets, don't try to drive it past fair value to finally hit the order from the opposite side. It 's punished now( see attached ). It's the first time I read a sanction on this, perhaps I am late and it has been a while.
     
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  2. Repoguy

    Repoguy

    Thank you for the post. We cant have the market-makers BOTS loosing money now can we. lol
     
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  3. MarkBrown

    MarkBrown

    so petty

    o_O
     
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  4. Order spoofing?

    They probably caught one guy in the open and want to set an example.
    But it is well known that order spoofing is happening on a daily basis in major exchanges, and they can't do anything about it.
     
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  5. Sekiyo

    Sekiyo

    Yeah sounds like spoofing.
    Been a while and people do it everyday.
     
  6. TraDaToR

    TraDaToR

    I don't know what order spoofing is, but this is slightly different from regular spoofing. Spoofing is a size game in a populated order book. This is more a cat and mouse chase in illiquid markets. It is something you almost naturally do in an empty book, and when you realize the other order has gone too far, it is tempting to take the other side. It is more in my grey area, but I choose not to do it because I don't need it and I feel it is actually manipulative if I click. Spoofing is well sanctioned since at least 2010 on the exchange, CFTC and dpt of justice level. Nowadays only chinese prop traders are so dumb to do it. They get caught, receive an hefty fine and are permanently barred from trading on Globex. If you read CME disciplinary sanctions, it feels like it's half of them.LOL
     
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  7. MarkBrown

    MarkBrown

    they practically educate members of the exchanges how to spoof .... since forever.

    but remember

    exchanges exist for the benefit of it's members.

    u no member u a rug to wipe feet on.
     
  8. TraDaToR

    TraDaToR

    I don't know if that still applies. IMO there is still some "subtle" spoofing going on, but the blatant spoofer who puts 10x his size behind the market to force execution of the small order on the other side is gone or performed by idiots who really don't know what risk/reward is.
     
  9. TraDaToR

    TraDaToR

    I mean the risk of getting sued by 2 federal agencies to save 2 ticks.
     
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  10. TraDaToR

    TraDaToR

    So funny. I receive this just as I am writing.
     
    #10     Aug 30, 2024
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