Basic question for experienced options traders

Discussion in 'Options' started by pgo1970, Dec 16, 2013.

  1. pgo1970

    pgo1970

    Suppose I'm convinced that silver will reach $100 before Dec 2015 (in 2 years).

    From this site:

    http://www.barchart.com/commodityfutures/Silver_Futures/options/SIZ15?mode=i&view=

    it looks like I can buy a call option on a 5,000 troy ounce silver contract with strike $50 for only $1,345 (at the time of this writing).

    So if I spend $1,345 to buy this call option today and my prediction occurs, will I really make

    ($100 - $50) * 5,000 = $250,000

    from this trade? (minus the original $1,345)

    That's a pretty big gain for a pretty low risk. It looks too good to be true, so I must be missing something. What am I missing?

    Please educate this beginner.
     
  2. Doobs789

    Doobs789

    Google: "Volatility"
     
  3. 1) Are you on Christmas Break from Rutgers or Syracuse? :confused:
    2) You're confusing and intermingling the option value with the underlying contract value at the strike price. :(
     
  4. xandman

    xandman

    You are very correct that a long term option can have a very big gain over the long term. That's the power and danger of options.

    Here is the practical side of the situation:

    1) It is very, very hard for long term fundamental predictions to actually come about.

    2) Holding the position, the moment a profit shows, will be extremely difficult. The bigger the profit gets, the more you will watch every tick. You will 2nd guess yourself minute/everyday and it will be like Chinese water torture unless you can get hypnotized to forget it for 2 years.

    My advice:

    Find the balance between risk/reward ratio, position sizing, time frame, and brokerage costs. I think that structure will provide you with an "Aha" moment to decide which trades are doable.
     
  5. smile

    smile

  6. pgo1970

    pgo1970

    But are my calculations correct?

    I realize that the option won't be worth exactly $250,000 for a $100 silver price. It may a bit different due to the time left to expiry.

    Other than that, did I get it right?
     
  7. FXforex

    FXforex

    Also look into the SLV Jan 15, 2016 Call options, which I think might be a better pay out than the future options. The option chain only goes to the $40.00 strike at this time. http://finance.yahoo.com/q/op?s=SLV&m=2016-01
    • SLV at $18.62
    • Silver at $19.52
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    SLV Jan 15, 2016 40.00 calls


    You could buy 33 contracts SLV Jan 2016 40.00 calls at $0.41 for $1,353. If SLV hits $100.00 before expiry those calls would be worth $198,000.
     
  8. nice .nice..

    http://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=slv

    i trust silver to rebound better than gold..

    unfortunately I dont like buying calls
    i will be selling ITM puts.. strike 20 . .jan 2015 for 2.95

    so my breakeven is 17.00 if this thing falls.. if it goes over 20.
    my max gain is 17.5%.. in 1 year.. for cash secured put.
    but wait. i will be selling naked.
    just checked in my IB Portfolio acct . it is blocking close to 200 bucks.

    so my ROI will be 290/ 200.. 150%... hmm.. nice.. nice..

    now. the silver lining question is.. ? how many do i sell.. ha ha.
     
  9. Bry

    Bry

    Yes, your calculations are correct.
     
  10. Handle123

    Handle123

    But of course based on Price Action currently that long, medium and short term are pointed south, I think we will see 10.00 before we see 100.00 in next three years.
     
    #10     Dec 21, 2013