And another BAILOUT, told you there is no such thing as failure, only bailouts, who's next???

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by S2007S, Jul 13, 2015.

  1. S2007S

    S2007S


    Just as I predicted, an agreement has been made....
    no such thing as failure in these new world economies.....bailout after bailout after bailout, who's next I question....this the THIRD BAILOUT in 5 YEARS!!!! A THIRD BAILOUT IN 5 YEARS, just keep giving them handouts, just like the worthless QE THE FED printed here to prop up our markets the last 6 years. .. guess what the bailouts aren't over, they will be looking at a fourth bailout soon. With greece getting it's 3rd FREE bailout and China propping up their bubble markets once again by printing money to buy their own stocks how can you not see how distorted and worthless these markets are, it's all a game. Let's see the markets just once dictate the reality of these situations at hand...


    Eurozone, Greece reach agreement on bailout

    Associated Press
    Pan Pylas and Raf Casert, Associated Press 3 hours ago




    BRUSSELS (AP) -- A summit of eurozone leaders reached a tentative agreement with Greece on Monday for a bailout program that includes "serious reforms" and aid, removing an immediate threat that Greece could collapse financially and leave the euro.

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    Nine hours after a self-imposed deadline passed, the leaders announced the breakthrough early Monday.

    If the talks had failed, Greece could have faced bankruptcy and a possible exit from the euro, the European single currency that the country has been a part of since 2002. No country has ever left the joint currency, which launched in 1999, and there is no mechanism in place for one to do so.

    For three days of negotiations between Greece and its international creditors, Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras held out for a better deal to sell to his reluctant legislature in Athens this week, even though financial collapse is getting closer by the day.

    A breakthrough came in a meeting between Tsipras, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, French President Francois Hollande and EU president Donald Tusk. Details were not immediately available.

    The breakthrough came after the threat of expulsion from the euro put intense pressure on Tsipras to swallow politically unpalatable austerity measures because his people overwhelmingly want to stay in the eurozone.

    Greece has requested a three-year, 53.5 billion-euro ($59.5 billion) financial package, but that number grew larger by the tens of billions as the negotiations dragged on and the leaders calculated how much Greece will need to stay solvent. The creditors are demanding tough austerity measures in exchange for Greece's third bailout in five years.

    Early Monday, a Greek official said the key sticking points were the involvement of the International Monetary Fund in Greece's bailout program and a proposal that Greece set aside 50 billion euros ($56 billion) worth of state-owned assets in a fund for eventual privatization.

    The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to discuss the negotiations, said any agreement would provide quick help for Greek banks from the European Central Bank. Without it, they risk running out of money this week.

    The negotiations began Saturday with a meeting of finance ministers. The heads of state convened mid-afternoon Sunday and were still negotiating at dawn Monday.

    The deal on the table appeared to include commitments from Tsipras to push a drastic austerity program including pension, market and privatization reforms through parliament by Wednesday, and from the 18 other eurozone leaders to start talks on a new bailout program.

    Sunday's four-page discussion paper put to eurozone leaders and obtained by The Associated Press spoke of a potential "time-out from the euro area" for Greece if no agreement could be found.

    It highlighted the increasing frustration of European leaders during five months of fruitless talks with Greece.

    "The most important currency has been lost: that is trust and reliability," Merkel said.

    Tsipras insisted his government was ready to clinch a deal.

    "We owe that to the peoples of Europe who want Europe united and not divided," he said. "We can reach an agreement tonight if all parties want it."

    Hollande insisted it was vital to keep Greece in the euro and said in the event of a departure, "it's Europe that would go backward. And that I do not want."

    Greece has received two previous bailouts, totaling 240 billion euros ($268 billion), in return for deep spending cuts, tax increases and reforms from successive governments. Although the country's annual budget deficit has come down dramatically, Greece's debt burden has increased as the economy has shrunk by a quarter.

    The Greek government has made getting some form of debt relief a priority and hopes that a comprehensive solution will involve European creditors at least agreeing to delayed repayments or lower interest rates.

    Greek debt stands at around 320 billion euros ($357 billion) — a staggering 180 percent or so of the country's annual gross domestic product. Few economists think that debt will ever be fully repaid. Last week, the International Monetary Fund said Greece's debt will need to be restructured.

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    Menelaos Hadjicostis and John-Thor Dahlburg in Brussels contributed to this story.
     
  2. NKVI>NH

    NKVI>NH

    wow, yes..you really told us! great job.

    does this mean vol is squashed forever..or does this just distort world markets more? if so, when does it burst? please tell us the answers!
     
  3. redbox

    redbox

    I don't think it's free money, they are expected to pay it back. Whether they will or not is another matter.
    Giving someone more debt that they can't pay is madness. Greece should give up the Euro and print their own monopoly money.
     
  4. ktm

    ktm

    This deal is far from done. And they crushed Tsipras in the meetings. They are demanding nearly 60B in property collateral be posted, in return for 100B in capital. Also, Greece must pass further austerity measures into sovereign law by Wednesday and the EU/IMF reserves the right to reject them "unpassing" or softening the same measures down the road.

    Strange that Bloomberg reports these details but the AP does not - or maybe not. Either way, it's still pretty tenuous.

    Back in the 90's when companies on the brink took 2nd/3rd level financing (at loan shark terms) in return for their children, it was referred to them as "taking the pipe". Greece is done. They might as well bail now, because if they pass this stuff...they are taking the pipe.

    The real question is why our markets care. It's the economic equivalent of a bad reality show taking an even worse turn on cable. The US just needs to change the channel, although the Pikettys and Krugmans could take some notes on having to pay your bills when they come due.
     
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  5. zdreg

    zdreg

    the US, a country made of 50+ Greeces, should take notice.
     
  6. Nine_Ender

    Nine_Ender

    That would explain then why you are short US indexes today. Oh wait ... .

    Anyone following your "predictions" this year would note you've been predicting that markets going up is "risk free" and also predicting a massive correction is coming. Those are contradictory positions. Just the same way that you talk about Greece defaulting hours before you claim you predicted an agreement.
     
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  7. zdreg

    zdreg

    " although the Pikettys and Krugmans could take some notes on having to pay your bills when they come due.
    obviously, but what about the Republicans in congress for the last 20 years?
     
  8. ktm

    ktm

    Yep...them too. It used to be that there were differences, now they're all just bought and paid for. The GOP still pretends that they care about spending.
     
  9. S2007S

    S2007S




    EXACTLY!!!! RIGHT ON!!!!

    And why millions and millions of people don't comprehend that baffles me day in and day out..
     
  10. But nothing has been resolved, it is just a red flag to wave for the bull market on Monday morning. Rather than the call that an agreement would be made, I would be interested in your summary thoughts on the fundamental issue that motivates both sides and how that issue will be resolved.

    It is odd to me that Europe is "happy" to spend 86 billion yet can't handle a 350 billion default.
     
    #10     Jul 13, 2015