Almost all peple saying the best of profit from shorting is just 100%

Discussion in 'Trading' started by GloriaBrown, Apr 14, 2017.

  1. I don't really agree about this
    Here is an example
    A stock with $100 price and we short it with $100
    let says it drops to $50 on first day
    case A doesn't take profit
    case B takes profit which means earning $50, then short again with the profit, which means shorting all with $150
    On the second day, the stock drops to $0 (we don't care about the bankrupt case, just showing math here)
    case A earning 100% of the initial investment $100, final money $200
    case B $150 with 100% earning which is final money $300
     
  2. Simples

    Simples

    Nice case, but what's the difference when things go wrong?
    Also, can you say a loan is an investment?
     
    Last edited: Apr 14, 2017
  3. both cases short sell $100, day 1 stock with $100 go up to $150
    case A don't do anything
    case B take the lose, lose $50 get back the $50 then short again
    day 2 go up to $200, case A take the lose and lose $100 total
    case A take the total lose is: day 1 $50, day2 = ( $50 * (200-150)/150) = $16.6, lose $66.6 total
     
  4. neke

    neke

    You will regret re-investing if the stock is volatile (like most stocks that eventually go to 0 !)
    so instead of 100 -> 50- > 0 like you illustrated, try this: 100->50->80->40->20->35->0
    come back and tell me your finding.
    (I was being merciful with the dead-cat bounces :))
     
  5. Turveyd

    Turveyd

    Factor in margin aswell 2:1, 1K account, becomes 2K selling at $50 then 4K position 100% profit gets you to 6K so a 500% increase.
     
  6. Sig

    Sig

    Factor in short interest rates as well, can be huge for hard to borrow stocks, which most stocks on their way to zero happen to be.
     
  7. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    Here is another thing to blow your mind about shorting: Let's say the stock goes from $100 to zero in an almost linear fashion over a period of months. Trader A shorts it at 100, trader B shorts it months later at $10 (with the same amount of capital) and they both hold it until zero.

    Although trader A started way higher and much earlier in time than trader B, the difference in returns is zero!!! They both doubled their money....
     
  8. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    In your example one trader had 2 trades. So that made the difference...
     
  9. I think it only make sense to "re-investing" after the stock has dropped a good amount of %, like at least 10% comparing to the price I short.
     
  10. Yes this is what I want to show and actually shorting 3X ETF is what I try to simulate.
     
    #10     Apr 15, 2017