Ackman vs Herbalife

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by TradeCat, Jul 20, 2016.

  1. TradeCat

    TradeCat

    The most interesting part of this feud is that last week many investors went back in for a short position on Herbalife following Ackman.

    Discuss.
     
  2. WildBill

    WildBill

    I just love seeing Ackman get bent over. If you're going to take a short position in something, put the trade on , give your reasons and then shut up.

    Quit trying to influence the outcome by running around to the networks and being a whiny little bitch about it.
     
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  3. Yep, time for Ackman to admit his huge loss...and move on.
    This guy's original premise is no longer valid.
    His ego has overcome his ability to make logical decisions.
    He tried to use his "influence" to change the outcome....to no avail.
     
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  4. Metamega

    Metamega

    https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=HLF

    Out of curiosity I wanted to see the float and percent short of float. Not something I trade off but institutional ownership is 106%?

    11 percent owned by insiders, 44 percent short interest.... How do you get out of a large short position without sending this thing to the moon lol.

    Even his VRX position seems really screwed to me. Seen an article that Sequoia ( think it was the largest holder at the time ) came out in the filings that it no longer has a position.

    I'd be crapping my pants in this position. I will say I'm not a hedge fund manager or anywhere close to being an amateur on fundamental trading. Couldn't do it myself I don't think.... When do you pull the plug on these trades.
     
  5. WildBill

    WildBill

    I have no clue myself.

    Just think of the opportunity cost of his two biggest dog trades. He missed out on some excellent opportunities while he was trying to talk his way out of Valeant and Hebalife.
     
  6. TradeCat

    TradeCat

    Didn't his nemesis (name?) go long as he was going short?

    Problem is the mentality of many hedge funds that only amateurs go long, while the smart money goes short. It's never worked for me so I must not have the crystal ball these guys are looking into.
     
  7. Lots of nemesi (?) for Ackman in this HLF... Hempton, Icahn, Loeb, at one point.
     
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  8. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    Capital group. The General Mills guy.
     
  9. Xela

    Xela


    "Nemeses". ;)
     
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  10. Good point, thank you... Nemeses it is and I should know this.
     
    #10     Jul 21, 2016
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