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Discussion in 'Trading' started by Voodoo-king, Nov 20, 2014.

  1. Sergio77

    Sergio77

    Very good blog with backtest of Friday's gap up action in SPY. Summary is that this pattern has made profits in the long side after the 2009 bottom but longer-term it lacks significance. My guess is the market will go lower in the next 10 days for about 3%.
     
    #31     Nov 23, 2014
  2. Ok, lets add it up.

    Made profits in the long side after the 2009: chance of going up = 1
    longer-term it lacks significance: chance of going up = 0.5; chance of going down = 0.5

    Overall:
    chance of going up = 1 + 0.5 = 1.5
    chance of going down = 0.5
    1.5 > 0.5 therefore chance of going up greater than chance of going down

    Why do you guess it will go down ? Don't you trust your own data ?
     
    Last edited: Nov 23, 2014
    #32     Nov 23, 2014
  3. Absent hyperinflation stocks are terrible risk reward, long term bonds will hold, stocks will fall, manipulators always lose, manipulators wants inflation, manipulators will get no inflation.
     
    #33     Nov 23, 2014
  4. Chris Mac

    Chris Mac

    Trying to buy S&P now is non-sense
    You need to find markets that are the start of cycle, not near the end

    Trying to short S&P now is non-sense
    You need to get confirmations that we are at the top and it is impossible to know it right now. Perhaps you would know it with a lag of 3 to 6 months at least. Who knew we were at the top in oct '07 ? Noone. At the start of '08, you could have speculated it but market was already down 10% from highs.

    To resume : lot of people ready to lose lot of money.


    Chris Mac
     
    #34     Nov 24, 2014
  5. Nothing new. They think the market is a casino.
     
    #35     Nov 24, 2014
  6. 10% is a lot to pay for confirmation, and even then it might be just a correction, odds of success are better now
     
    #36     Nov 24, 2014
  7. The market keeps going against you. How is that good odds ? Would your odds improve further if the market goes another 1000 points against you ?

    This is how noobies get wiped out. They don't know when they are wrong.
     
    #37     Nov 24, 2014
  8. I dont mind being wrong when I dont do binary bets, I am net short, but my shorts are part of a larger strategy
     
    #38     Nov 24, 2014
  9. S2007S

    S2007S

    This is a market no one has ever seen before....thanks to the central bankers....will there be a top? There always is...
     
    #39     Nov 24, 2014
  10. mymajia

    mymajia

    Yet you won't see it in your life...
     
    #40     Nov 24, 2014