The Break Even Stop is a Psychological Crutch for Newbies

Discussion in 'Psychology' started by Buy1Sell2, Feb 21, 2015.

Do you use break even stops?

  1. Yes

    50.0%
  2. No

    50.0%
  1. Redneck

    Redneck

    In a volatile / ranging / mean reverting environment - you will get away with it - obviously you did

    In a relentless trend move against one's position - you'll get your nuts cut of..., and a margin call to boot

    Longs - near the end of 07 = decimated
    Shorts - mid 09 = decimated


    These 3 - volatile / ranging / mean reverting environment - mask piss poor trading skills



    As OP has said more than once

    get right

    RN
     
    #21     Feb 22, 2015
  2. lindq

    lindq

    My experience is that you are correct.

    For sure, setting a break even stop provides a good feeling of relief that the trade can't lose.

    But is that the purpose of trading? Is that why we get up in the morning? Not to lose?
     
    #22     Feb 22, 2015
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  3. MrFuture

    MrFuture

    That should ABSOLUTELY be your primary goal. Why? Because when you trade actively all odds are stacked against you. All statistics point to a very high degree of failure for those who daytrade. An active trader who manages not to lose money is rarer than most on this website are willing to realize unfortunately.
     
    #23     Feb 22, 2015
  4. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    No. The primary goal is to win (make money). Part of achieving that is keeping losses small---less than 2% of Total Liquid Net Worth on any one trade/idea. Losses are a necessary part of winning overall. Playing "not to lose" is not the way to be successful. One could trade a system with less than 10% winners and more than 90% losers and still be highly successful. The edge in trading is capital and the management thereof. There is no other edge. Take small losses---Take big winners. Don't get stopped out at breakeven just because you don't want to lose.
     
    Last edited: Feb 22, 2015
    #24     Feb 22, 2015
  5. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Agree---but only to preserve capital.
     
    #25     Feb 22, 2015
  6. cornix

    cornix

    Depends on your trade management rules I guess. B/E stop may work in favor or against the bottom line.
     
    #26     Feb 22, 2015
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  7. cornix

    cornix

    B1S2,

    I remember your old time threads about the holy grail. Wonder if you still trade the same way (RSI on a daily chart)?
     
    #27     Feb 22, 2015
  8. Jakobsberg

    Jakobsberg

    Exactly. Across the board rules dont apply to all systems or situations. Thats part of what I thinks makes this hard for noobs. An experienced trader states a rule but they dont understand their system or context.

    Having a stoploss at breakeven can give your more room for the trade to work so your not taken out by volatility and may help to keep you psychologically in the trade with the possibility of a big winner if you just let it ride. Depends on the system.
     
    #28     Feb 23, 2015
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  9. lindq

    lindq

    Risk aversion rears its head in many forms. For some it's trading too small. For others, it's taking profits too soon. And for others still, it's raising stops to break even in order to avoid feeling any pain or uncertainty.

    The goal of trading is NOT protecting profits. The goal is maximizing profits.

    When risk aversion becomes a habitual part of a trader's methodology, it can be really damaging to long term profitability.
     
    #29     Feb 23, 2015
  10. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Exactly!
     
    #30     Feb 23, 2015