Taxable amount of a ShortSale

Discussion in 'Taxes and Accounting' started by Quanto, Feb 26, 2024.

  1. Quanto

    Quanto

    I made an options short sale of $350 that will be finalized in the future (ie. on the options expiry date),
    and received an immediate premium of $40. Does this make a net sale of $350, or $310, or $390 ?
    Can a taxman answer this please? :D
     
  2. S2007S

    S2007S

    I'm no tax person at all, and have come here for answers myself, but i believe you are paying taxes just on the immediate premium of $40
     
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  3. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    Its a satisfying feeling to open a thread and see no posts whatsoever.
     
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  4. Quanto

    Quanto

    Yes, makes sense.
    But I'm afraid the broker's statement will tell a much different story to the tax office,
    b/c it seems somehow the broker thinks the sale was even $390, ie. the sum of both values...
     
  5. maxinger

    maxinger

    I am no taxman and no tax expert.

    BUT!!!
    One thing I know very well;

    The more tax you pay, the happier you are !!!!!

    If you are paying $1 tax, that means you only earn $10k/yr.

    If you are paying $1m tax, that means you are earning tons and tons of money.

    REJOICE !!!!!
     
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  6. Quanto

    Quanto

    @maxinger, it's all relative... :)
    Ie. comparing percentages, not absolute values.
     
  7. S2007S

    S2007S


    Trust me I understand...im going back with my broker now over something I know is incorrect yet they keep failing to correct it. I have a feeling most statements and 1099s are far from accurate
     
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  8. Quanto

    Quanto

    I think we have to trace this scenario of stock option shortselling further to verify whether
    the broker's statement correctly handles (for tax issues etc.) all the possible cases related to such a sale.

    Imagine this Put shortselling: we have to differentiate for all these 4 cases:
    1) Option expires worthless (OTM for the counterparty); no need for us to buy the stock.
    2) Auto-assignment (at expiration) if ITM for counterparty, initiated by broker or the OCC clearing; afterwards we own the stock.
    3) Early-assignment (initiated by counterparty), afterwards we own the stock.
    4) Early-closing by buying-back the option (initiated by us); no need for us to buy the stock.

    See also
    https://www.optionseducation.org/referencelibrary/faq/options-exercise
     
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  9. Why didn't you receive the entire $350? Isn't all premium immediate and all that matters for tax is how much you keep
     
  10. Quanto

    Quanto

    I got all the premium: it was the said $0.40 --> $40 per contract.
    The $350 is the CashAcct collateral for the said strike 3.50.
    The broker seems to say I sold for $390 (the 350 + the 40). It's IMO really funny how the broker views this.

    The broker clearly says "UnsettledCash is $390" (IMO that statement is questionable as well).
    I try to figure out whether he also says I have to declare $390 for tax payment... :)
    How would you interpret such a broker?
     
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    #10     Feb 26, 2024