Reaction to Michael Lewis's book and "60 Minutes" interview

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by Maverick74, Apr 1, 2014.

  1. How do you know what my design choice is? :) You are assuming I want it the status quo. If you really want to know. And I know you do. Here is what I'd want:

    1) No dark pools
    2) no internalization
    3) one central exchange
    4) basic limit and market orders only
    5) Fix the SIP

    However, we all know that won't happen. So I'd settle for...

    1) only lit venues
    2) no internalization
    3) no sub pennies
    4) basic order types
    6) allow locked/crossed markets
    7) fix the SIP
     
    #21     Apr 2, 2014
  2. My research has uncovered this gem:

    Rule 603(a)(2) requires that any SRO, broker, or dealer that distributes market information must do so on terms that are not unreasonably discriminatory. These requirements prohibit, for example, a market from making its "core data" (i.e., data that it is required to provide to a Network processor) available to vendors on a more timely basis than it makes available the core data to a Network processor.

    from this document : http://www.nanex.net/aqck2/4442.html

    So is the defense against front-running that computers are not human beings and so can't commit crimes? If the computers are convicted and sent to jail would they be out in milliseconds?
     
    #22     Apr 2, 2014
  3. wpfund

    wpfund

    Took me awhile to find this "debate" online (perhaps because it's 24hrs old), so posting a link to it: http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000263252
     
    #23     Apr 2, 2014
  4. I disagree. I made a trade some 5 years ago when I hit the bid and was only filled for 2000 shares of the 14000 showing and the bid-ask moved. I phoned in and asked how this could possibly be and we went over the exchange published tape together at the precise time. It was a holiday eve and I had been watching the bid ask for some time and so off the exchange tape we went over bid and ask at the exact time (remember I was partially filled). I was astounded to find that my memory of what had occurred watching level 2 and the tape DIDN'T MATCH! The fellow didn't seem to believe me, but was unable to explain how this could possibly happen. Something was definitely wrong.

    Katsuyama describes the same thing happening to Royal Bank traders. I have seen this although it is really hard to prove.

    After that experience, I had a habit of capturing a screen shot (for proof) and got several odd things that occur documented. Thinking about these odd things has definitely helped my trading.
     
    #24     Apr 2, 2014
  5. I've seen so many odd things over the years, I only notice it when it's normal.

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    #25     Apr 2, 2014
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  7. Exactly
     
    #27     Apr 2, 2014
  8. lol
     
    #28     Apr 2, 2014
  9. baglunch

    baglunch

    I agree with most of this, definitely no dark pools or internalized flow. What you describe is how the US equity market was in the 80s and 90s before REG NMS, multi listed products, or direct feeds. The only downside was that specialists controlled the liquidity and you had to be part of the club to get hit, but far from broken the way it is now. Don't blame the players, blame the SEC for breaking the game.

    While the sip is improving through enhancements the problem is that the market is still too fragmented and that fragmentation is what makes the sip unusable even if it was fixed of its latency issues. I had hope with cboe shutting down the cbsx exchange that there would be one less place to distract us but soon enough iex will be added to the fray. Maybe the market will be better off if the SEC forced all of the exchanges that acquire other exchanges to consolidate, no one needs 3 exchanges under the same roof that have the same model and only differ in fees. NYSE/amex/arca, bats z/bats y/direct edge a/ direct edge x, Nasdaq/psx/bx can consolidate into 3 markets and the other indy markets can just go away. Just like how ICE bought NYSE and is cleaning house by shutting down liffe-us and selling Euronext.

    Also if there is one central exchange you don't need to fix the sip nor do you need a sip at all.
     
    #29     Apr 3, 2014
  10. Could you explain what is bad about dark pools and internalization? (I have no position on these items.) Didn't both arise because of the same front running issue we are talking about here - just done by humans originally?
     
    #30     Apr 3, 2014