Live Cattle - Top ?

Discussion in 'Commodity Futures' started by syswizard, Jul 2, 2014.

  1. That situation sounds unsustainable.....farmers buying cows.
    That said, Dec hit a new contract high today @ 168.25
     
    #121     Oct 8, 2014
  2. The cow herd is shrinking still. It takes time and infastructure to grow beef cattle. Another casualty of the high grain prices has been the cowman. Fences pushed out, pasture plowed up, this ground is not likely to return to grass.. Now its up to price to cull demand or create supply. Who knows where price is going and what the violent swings getting there will be. The guy that said farmers buying cattle to add value to their corn crop is right. I think farmers in the fringe acres that dont have livestock are gonna get an education this year.. Demand for beef is on the rise while supply is falling and you cant just go plant a million acres of cows....

    As always time will tell..
     
    #122     Oct 9, 2014
  3. Handle123

    Handle123

    Excellent head & shoulders at the highs and thereafter resistance on retracement.

    One reason I never go by fundamentals, cause charts more time than not show the path.
     
    #123     Oct 9, 2014
  4. And don't forget the rule of "even numbers" i.e. 150, 160, 170, etc.
    Dec contract hit 169.25 (close enough to 170) and then backed-off 4 pennies ! (FBO=Failed Break Out).

    This is really gonna get wild....with the super low supplies coupled with a weaker economy.
    Assessing the demand at these prices is the key IMHO.
     
    #124     Oct 9, 2014
  5. Another aspect of this cattle market puzzle I have been paying attention to is the Commitment of Traders. The funds have had pretty long positions in both feeder and live cattle for a while now, although the COT is a "lagged" indicator. You can't tell what funds are doing on a daily basis, and the COT only comes out once a week.
     
    #125     Oct 9, 2014
  6. Handle123

    Handle123

    Already lost the $600 other day in futures

    Just an incredible Head and Shoulders pattern on five minute near the highs, could not ask for more.
    Liquidated Dec 170 @ $2.60/$3.30 and Dec 172 @ $1.85/$ 2.60 for profit of 1.45, so overall on this position of futures/hedge, lost $20

    Sold Dec futures at 169.25 ave,
    I waited 60m to see if Cattle was going to break as the options were huge money near all time highs.
    Bot Dec 172 @2.50 and Dec 174 @1.80
    Friday looking to get out of options if market stays no higher than the close fifteen minutes after open unless report "Import and Export Prices" makes market move. Will be watching five minute chart. Whatever loss will be subtracted from entry plus a dime for new breakeven stops.
     
    #126     Oct 10, 2014
  7. Well, whatever happened with that report affected the back months....they're weak.
    Now we have a steeper backwardation effect.
     
    #127     Oct 10, 2014
  8. #128     Oct 14, 2014
  9. Yes, this is making a move above $1.70 unlikely IMHO.
     
    #129     Oct 14, 2014
  10. Handle123

    Handle123

    Used five minute bars on 13th to find best place to liquidate options but lost 0.95 on the Dec 172 and 0.70 on Dec 174. So entry was 169.25 minus 1.65 is 167.60, Protective stops go in ten minutes after market opens at 167.525. First target is 12 points.
     
    #130     Oct 15, 2014