jasinhbca's quest for discipline, knowledge & profits

Discussion in 'Journals' started by jas_in_hbca, Nov 16, 2010.

  1. As my wife just said, "if you have a target why did you move it ? " Maybe i should talk to her more often about trading.

    I did not do my job properly at all today. Oh well, review later and back at it stronger next week.
     
    #1011     Nov 28, 2014
  2. Redneck

    Redneck

    What kind of I don't give a fuck attitude is this

    May not bother you..., but it does me..., for you

    Trading is strictly pay for performance - yet you blow off not performing well

    Is this a game to you

    If ever there a time YOU - should be jumping your ass - it's now

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    Care to clue me in...., because I am completely confused


    RN
     
    #1012     Nov 28, 2014
  3. yeah it bugs the shit out of me but I 'm trying to let go. its inexcusable my moving a target. been reviewing in my head all day.

    on one hand I think Ok 1 bad day -27, but you 'ge been doing well so no worries. the other hand is Jesus man we just had this conversation about targets.

    believe me I'm trying to get myself out of the process
     
    #1013     Nov 28, 2014
  4. Redneck

    Redneck



    As it rightfully should bug the shit out of you

    No plan = easy to move the target

    With a plan = impossible to move the target (unless it part of the plan..., or..., you purposely break the plan)


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    And now - my soapbox



    Trading is strictly pay for performance

    Traders get paid solely for our performance



    One’s PnL…, after a given trade…, or at the EOD…, is not our performance…, nor indicative of our performance – ** unless there is a moderate…, to significant – loss

    Nor…, can a trader judge…, their performance …, for that day…, from their PnL


    ** IMPORTANT FACT;

    If a trader performs correctly – unless some SHTF (act of God) incident occurs – moderate to significant losses should never occur

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    How one…, conducts one’s self…, throughout the day…, while trading – is one’s performance

    How precisely…, and exacting…, one follows the routine(s) (uhh trade plans) – throughout the day.., while trading – is one’s performance


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    Mistakes you are making – and have been for quite sometime


    Not following the damn routine(s)

    Hell…, not even creating the routine(s) (trading plan for each trade / then following said trading plan…, to the letter – to fruition)


    Trying to let go of the wrong thing – your performance

    Not owning your performance in the first place


    Equating how you performed – to the EOD PnL (this is a form of trading one’s PnL…., and absolutely no form of trading one’s PnL is ever beneficial)


    Admittedly maybe I fucked up…, and fucked you up – when I showed you mine

    If so – I am sorry

    Now..., we must get you past this



    Get past the money…, and focus solely on doing your job

    Own..., doing your job correctly (as a trader that is all we have – that is all we are)


    Own it…, become it – only then can / will you do it (perform correctly)


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    You equate (27) – to 1 bad day


    You had a series of bad days (of not performing properly)

    Problem is…, you’ve been randomly getting paid for your suck ass performance

    Then equating (interpreting) those positive pay days – as;

    HEY…, I’ve done a good job (performed correctly…, and well)

    You haven’t


    The axiom;

    Trade well – win…, lose…, or draw

    aka

    Trade well (perform correctly) – fuck the results (the resulting PnL)


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    You want to be a trader / You want to break the cycle


    Start being 100% accountable to yourself

    Start owning 100% of your actions (performance) when trading

    Start being 100% accountable for YOUR performance (actions)


    Stop focusing on the results (the PnL)

    Stop equating your performance to the resulting PnL


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    How we act (perform) – while trading – defines us absolutely - as a trader

    Whatever resulting PnL – is simply a byproduct – of how we performed

    Trading is strictly – pay for performance

    PnL is not..., nor can it ever be..., a gauge – of one’s performance

    We have no control / nor influence – whether any given trade results in a winner…, or a loser


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    Now…, get yer head out of your PnL’s ass

    Get focused solely on how you perform each day / each trade

    Own…, and become accountable for – your performance – each day…, each trade

    Start performing properly;
    * follow the routine(s)
    * make a plan for each trade
    * follow the damn thing – to the letter..., until exiting



    Only way this hideous cycle you’re in currently - ceases

    Only way you become a trader

    Only way consistency is achieved

    The only way


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    And never try to let go of YOUR performance

    The resulting PnL – yes..., let go of that (we have no control / nor influence whether any given trade wins…, or loses)


    But we have total control…, over how we act (perform)…, each and every day…, each and every trade

    Never…, ever – let go of that


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    Yup..., this post is quite redundant – because;

    I am attempting to drive a point home…, and drill it into your head


    Start acting (performing) like a fucking trader

    Laying down and rolling over - ain’t it (the “oh well”)

    Start owning your performance (actions) – every day – every trade

    Stop equating good trading with whatever resultant PnL (the two are mutually exclusive)


    Let go the money aspect

    Grab onto…, and tightly hold yourself accountable for – how you conduct yourself – during each and every trade


    RN
     
    Last edited: Nov 29, 2014
    #1014     Nov 29, 2014
  5. Thank you. Extremely, extremely well said.

    Since i've started this journal I've always approached trading as a process of learning and gradual improvement. Like learning an instrument or sport. I still think the skills/knowledge of trading are acquired that way. I assumed my discipline would follow the same path of gradual improvement. Now, I'm realizing my discipline needs more of cold -turkey do it now approach. No gradual. Follow the plan and sit through whatever unease it may bring right now. My skills/knowledge will continue to gradually improve but there's no reason not to be disciplined 100% right now.

    My errors are not due to ambiguous rules. This is the easy part of the plan. There's no reason not to follow it.

    I need and will expect more from myself, be tougher on myself.

    I'll try more self-talk out loud during the trading day. This has helped in the past. I'll try standing up during the trade, away from the screen. I have a grade the trade discipline worksheet i'll start using again.

    I think I've got notes on mental management I've written before. Going to review and update the "Items to focus on".

    I probably do think too much about PnL (I don't think yours or anyone else's has influenced that)

    jas
     
    #1015     Nov 29, 2014
  6. Redneck

    Redneck

    Okay J

    Tomorrow is a new day

    Either we continue doing what we've been

    Or..., we start fresh and change

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    The things we must..., are pretty simple - it our head that complicates


    Start each trade with a plan - then execute it

    Yes..., it may be painful - but that isn't the mkt's doing

    It's us..., fighting our self

    Fighting for control..., fighting to do something - when there really isn't anything to do


    The trade is on..., the plan set - we must stand pat and allow it to come to fruition - win or lose

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    Get some rest..., clear the ole noggin

    Tomorrow..., we trade - as fucking traders :)


    RN
     
    #1016     Nov 30, 2014
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  7. jsmacksem

    jsmacksem

    Get em JAS
     
    #1017     Nov 30, 2014
  8. Thanks, guys !

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    I've been thinking about the rats Nodoji has talked about. You know, the experiment with the T-Maze and random reward but biased to favor the left. Rats figure it out quick and always go left getting the reward
    60% ** of the time. Humans in same experiment try to out guess or find patterns or whatever and underperform the rats.

    I've been trading like a damn human. Time to trade like a rat.

    ** I don't remember the actual percentages
     
    #1018     Nov 30, 2014
  9. Redneck

    Redneck

    Tell me something good - please

    And leave the PnL out of it


    RN
     
    #1019     Dec 1, 2014
  10. I'm proud of my trading today. Not without error but the keys I was focusing on today I accomplished.

    I lowered my targets based on S/R , which is allowed, and I kept them there. No increasing or changing targets.

    Error was improper stop placement which caused loss and mild frustration which I recognized and quickly walked off.

    Big thing today was to be patient , take in plan trades and accept reasonable targets. I did all that and was paid accordingly.

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    And as an aside, discipline begins when the alarm goes off. No more lie there for 5 more minutes, no more lie there and check Yahoo News. I'm pushing myself out of bed. 1 for 1 so far. :)
     
    #1020     Dec 1, 2014