Increases in CO2 - Causes Cooling

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jem, Jul 12, 2014.

  1. Max E.

    Max E.

    NYC Climate March Floods City With ... Diesel Fumes
    by DAN RIEHL 21 Sep 2014, 10:39 AM PDT 2POST A COMMENT
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    Putting aside participant Leonardo DiCaprio's penchant for private jets and several resource devouring mansions of his own to fly to and from, a funny thing happened on the way to today's big climate march in New York City. Participants used over 500 green house gas spewing buses to get there from all across the country.
    Some of the comments in response to this Junk Science tweet are hilarious.



    The New York Times reported on the buses here.The march, which as of this week had confirmed 496 buses coming from as far away as Kansas, will coincide with similar events in 158 countries.
    Though the buses will be using gas, the floats will either be powered by biodiesel or pulled by hand, Ms. Foderaro noted.

    Oops! From the "Union of Concerned Scientists" back in 2008.

    Diesel engines power most of the nation's trucks, buses, trains, ships, and off-road equipment. With mounting evidence that diesel exhaust poses major health hazards, reducing diesel pollution has become a public priority.​
     
    #901     Sep 21, 2014
  2. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    :D
     
    #902     Sep 21, 2014
  3. Max E.

    Max E.

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    #903     Sep 21, 2014
  4. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    You're absolutely right. They should all have walked . . .
     
    #904     Sep 21, 2014
  5. jem

    jem

    db is correct its a very rare leftist who walks the walk.
    I have met a few real environmentalists who walk the walk, but they too are at times disenchanted with the way many of their groups have been co opted by leftists and sellouts.
     
    #905     Sep 21, 2014
  6. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    And of course conservatives who block their every move . . .
     
    #906     Sep 21, 2014
  7. jem

    jem

    many conservatives believe in conserving nature.
    some Christians take the biblical admonition to be a good guardian seriously.
    Many people have trouble with the waste we see all around us.


    Unfortunately for the earth... we are spending billions on at the moment crackpot fake science instead of protecting our oceans with the money.





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    #907     Sep 21, 2014
  8. jem

    jem

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    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/09/23/its-time-to-stop-the-climate-scare-stories/

    A paper for Climate Dynamics co-authored by Professor Goswami, recently-retired director of the Indian Institute of Tropical Meteorology, shows why the models relied upon by the UN’s climate panel’s recent assessments predict monsoons inaccurately.

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    Figure 1. There is a possibly causative correlation between variations in solar activity (red curve) and in monsoon rainfall (blue curve).

    All 16 models examined had the same fatal flaw: they made rain too easily by artificially elevating air and water masses in the atmosphere.

    Models are not ready to predict the climate. Misusing computers to spew out multiple “what-if” scenarios is unscientific.

    Most fundamental problems in our immature understanding of climate have remained unresolved for decades. Some cannot be resolved at all. The UN’s climate panel admitted in 2001 what has been known for 50 years: because the climate is a “coupled, non-linear, chaotic object,” reliable long-term climate prediction is impossible.

    Misuse of climate models as false prophets is costly in lives as well as treasure.

    To condemn the poorest of India’s poor to continuing poverty is to condemn many to an untimely death. Mr. Modi is right to have no more to do with such murderous nonsense. It is time to put an end to climate summits. On the evidence, they are not needed.

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    #908     Sep 23, 2014
  9. jem

    jem

    Told you agw trolls people who know the Pacific know its the tides and the currents el nino - la nina.

    here is s study showing it.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/09/...ions-not-the-cause-of-u-s-west-coast-warming/

    Surprising PNAS paper: CO2 emissions not the cause of U.S. West Coast warming

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    The rise in temperatures along the U.S. West Coast during the past century is almost entirely the result of natural forces — not human emissions of greenhouse gases, according to a major new study released today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

    Northeast Pacific coastal warming since 1900 is often ascribed to anthropogenic greenhouse forcing, whereas multidecadal temperature changes are widely interpreted in the framework of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO), which responds to regional atmospheric dynamics. This study uses several independent data sources to demonstrate that century-long warming around the northeast Pacific margins, like multidecadal variability, can be primarily attributed to changes in atmospheric circulation. It presents a significant reinterpretation of the region’s recent climate change origins, showing that atmospheric conditions have changed substantially over the last century, that these changes are not likely related to historical anthropogenic and natural radiative forcing, and that dynamical mechanisms of interannual and multidecadal temperature variability can also apply to observed century-long trends.

    From a Seattle Times newspaper story: (h/t Dale Hartz)

    The vast majority of coastal temperature increases since 1900 are the result of changes in winds over the eastern Pacific Ocean, the authors found. But they could find no evidence that those weather patterns were themselves being influenced by the human burning of fossil fuels.

    here is the link to the paper and the abstract...

    http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2014/09/16/1318371111.abstract

    Abstract

    Over the last century, northeast Pacific coastal sea surface temperatures (SSTs) and land-based surface air temperatures (SATs) display multidecadal variations associated with the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, in addition to a warming trend of ∼0.5–1 °C. Using independent records of sea-level pressure (SLP), SST, and SAT, this study investigates northeast (NE) Pacific coupled atmosphere–ocean variability from 1900 to 2012, with emphasis on the coastal areas around North America. We use a linear stochastic time series model to show that the SST evolution around the NE Pacific coast can be explained by a combination of regional atmospheric forcing and ocean persistence, accounting for 63% of nonseasonal monthly SST variance (r = 0.79) and 73% of variance in annual means (r = 0.86). We show that SLP reductions and related atmospheric forcing led to century-long warming around the NE Pacific margins, with the strongest trends observed from 1910–1920 to 1940. NE Pacific circulation changes are estimated to account for more than 80% of the 1900–2012 linear warming in coastal NE Pacific SST and US Pacific northwest (Washington, Oregon, and northern California) SAT. An ensemble of climate model simulations run under the same historical radiative forcings fails to reproduce the observed regional circulation trends. These results suggest that natural internally generated changes in atmospheric circulation were the primary cause of coastal NE Pacific warming from 1900 to 2012 and demonstrate more generally that regional mechanisms of interannual and multidecadal temperature variability can also extend to century time scales.




     
    #909     Sep 23, 2014
  10. fhl

    fhl