Brazil stocks

Discussion in 'Stocks' started by m22au, Mar 8, 2015.

  1. Daal

    Daal

    The thing is, there is another way to play these. Which is to only get involed when these trash stocks are overextended and time them well in the shorts. You get the benefit of being able to play them bigger (and hence, you wont need a lot of these to make more than many small shorts) and the approach will have an overall sharpe ratio. I interviewed an specialist of this approach (he usually shorts overextended small cap Nasdaq stocks but sometimes OTCs as well) and will add to the 2nd edition of my book. I can send you the PDF of the the unedited chapter if you want. He goes by the nickname of lx21 on twitter. he has an website as well

    I believe this year he made a lot of money shorting VLTC with big size
     
    #51     Sep 14, 2015
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  2. Daal

    Daal

    That said, I like the approach of having many small swing shorts. I do that all the time but I only do these when I know that the chance of a squeeze is really small.
     
    #52     Sep 14, 2015
  3. m22au

    m22au

    #53     Sep 22, 2015
  4. m22au

    m22au

    #54     Sep 23, 2015
  5. m22au

    m22au

    www dot twitter dot com/AllThatIsSolid/status/649930912071872512
    "If BRL can't even strengthen against USD on a day like today, Brazil really is f..."

    Although as some commenters point out, BRL weakness could be a symptom of general risk aversion.

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    #55     Oct 2, 2015
  6. Well, BRL did strength last friday, as did IBOV.
     
    #56     Oct 4, 2015
  7. m22au

    m22au

  8. Daal

    Daal

    The problem with shorting Brazilian stocks is that they are at 11x PE and 5% div yield after 2 years of recession. Those are cyclically depressed earnings and yields. When they return to normal (as a market economy always does) they will rise. So effectively, they are at something like 7-8 PE's 6-7% dividend yields. Its really hard to make money shorting very cheap markets. Specially given headline risk, at any hint of the impeachment going forward, buyers will go nuts. Unless one is talking about a daytrade here and there, positioning short the brazilian market is very dangerous

    I do know of a trade to bet against brazil that I actually like, short the BRL against AUD/NZD/CAD. Shorting BRLUSD is dangerous because a lot of that is just a bet on commodities, and with commodities down so much and everybody being bearish on it, its just a dangerous exposure to have. If they pop 10% all the bullish arguments that you can't find anywhere, all of the sudden will appear everywhere and the world will look a lot different (almost like a conspiracy). But with the AUD NZD and CAD, you isolate the commodity component because they correlate to that as well. To do the trade one would short the BRL in the CME contract and buy AUD NZD contract etc
     
    #58     Dec 17, 2015
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  9. Chris Mac

    Chris Mac

    Man, what you are writing makes sense. I agree.
    But it is like casting pearls before swine.
    m22au did'nt, doesn't, will not understand basics.
    Let him dream.

    CM
     
    #59     Dec 17, 2015
  10. m22au

    m22au

    Thanks for your thoughts Daal

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    #60     Jan 28, 2016