Best hedge against market drop

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by levijean, Apr 28, 2016.

  1. Turveyd

    Turveyd

    A hedge has a risk implication, okay your thinking if market does well your business can swallow the loss from the hedge.

    If the market starts going down, then join that by shorting and make some money to support your business.

    But if the market is going up, why not join that and make so extra money for later wgen you need it.
     
    #21     Apr 28, 2016
  2. If you're willing to take interest rate risk instead of market risk, you could buy EDV. It has a beta of negative 0.6. It goes up whenever SPX goes down because of flight to quality. This is an essentially free way to hedge against SPX decline, as long as interest rates stay low.
     
    #22     Apr 28, 2016
  3. OptionGuru

    OptionGuru

    Another option is "self hedging/insurance" - in other words no hedging. Pay the premiums to yourself.



    :)
     
    #23     Apr 28, 2016
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  4. Sounds like you should buy a put option. It will be expensive but you can buy a 1 year put option on SPY. Each option is for 100 shares, thus you would need to purchase about 5 options to get the coverage you needed. Shitty thing about this hedge is that you swallow the loss immediately upon purchasing the option.

    The other thing you can do as others have mentioned is sell 1 ES with expiry 1 year out from now. That potentially is a breakeven lose nothing hedge if the market is at the same place 9 months from now. However it is a more complicated hedge requiring like 5-10k margin at all times + more to cover the loss if it keeps going up.

    You can also do more complicated option trades where your insurance cost is lower but your upside is limited if you buy a put but also sell a call at the same time but i'll leave that for the options guys to explain.
     
    #24     Apr 28, 2016
  5. OptionGuru

    OptionGuru


    I was going to post a similar idea, until I checked the Jan 20, 2017 SPY option chain - TOO EXPENSIVE.
    So I posted the "self hedging/insurance" post instead.



    You can sell at anytime.




    :)
     
    #25     Apr 28, 2016
  6. rmorse

    rmorse Sponsor

    Can you tell us what the business is?
     
    #26     Apr 28, 2016
  7. JackRab

    JackRab

    Dec'16 205 mini ES puts are about USD 11 (underl contr size 100)
    Buy 5 puts for 6k insurance cost. Each 10 points drop in S&P is USD 500 profit (ex premium, which you consider a cost). So 200 points drop is 10k. for a net profit of 4k. 1000 points (-50%) is 44k net profit.

    Or buy shorter term, but you'll have to rollover.
     
    #27     Apr 28, 2016
  8. magicz

    magicz

    use a strangle for a black swan event...other than that it cost way too much to hedge unless you keep rolling out your hedge so not to lose too much premium
     
    #28     Apr 29, 2016
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  9. %%
    Among the best, Levi;
    dont have any long stock positions,[except maybe long term like in Roth.....] in May-Sept,
    even more so when a bull-market is this OLD,+ OLD+ extended . Auto accidents happen much more @ certain times, for example when a teen-youngster is involved, alcohol involved, speed is involved- the market is risky now like that.................................................................
     
    #29     May 9, 2016
  10. Handle123

    Handle123

    My question is how much will business go up comparing it to same amount going down?
    Then ask yourself what company that is like yours and what does the charting show for loss when overall Indexes have gone down?

    Personally, I would not be selling futures on the Indexes or buying Puts on Indexes. I would short another stock, hedged, that is similar to yours or buy Puts in that other business. If you are doing well now, when market does down, you might not have same losses of overall market and be wasting money on those options for time market is waiting to go down, and if the market goes down. Plus, you need to know, when you would feel lose on what percentage of overall market going down. In past 9 months the Indexes have had a few down moves, how much has the business gone down during those times, so if you have not experienced losses, then you could buy deep OTM Puts several months out at cheap prices on SPX or cheaper Index, much has to be studied as far as losses felt in past nine months.
     
    #30     May 9, 2016