Why Zionists Should Not Support Ron Paul

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by WAEL012000, Jan 29, 2008.

  1. Ron Paul's supporters have been quite adept at repackaging their anti-semitic candidate's negatives as positives, have tried to spin Ron Paul's repeated criticisms of Israel and foreign aid to Israel as a positive. Some Zionists have fallen for that line and are considering supporting Ron Paul in order to end American intervention in Israel.

    The idea of ending foreign aid and intervention in Israel's domestic politics may seem appealing at first glance but a serious look at what would happen gives us a whole other picture.
    First of all it's highly debatable whether Ron Paul could even end foreign aid to Israel because it has too much bipartisan support and Ron Paul has no track record for winning legislative brush wars. The Presidential veto is not absolute power.

    Secondly, Ron Paul's own statement betray the same pattern of thinking that has driven administration after administration to pressure Israel.

    Ron Paul in the US House of Representatives, January 29, 2003
    And above all, the Arab Muslims are tired of us.

    Angry and frustrated by our persistent bullying and disgusted with having their own government bought and controlled by the United States, joining a radical Islamic movement was a natural and predictable consequence for Muslims.

    We believe bin Laden when he takes credit for an attack on the West, and we believe him when he warns us of an impending attack. But we refuse to listen to his explanation of why he and his allies are at war with us.

    Bin Laden’s claims are straightforward. The U.S. defiles Islam with military bases on holy land in Saudi Arabia, its initiation of war against Iraq, with 12 years of persistent bombing, and its dollars and weapons being used against the Palestinians as the Palestinian territory shrinks and Israel’s occupation expands. There will be no peace in the world for the next 50 years or longer if we refuse to believe why those who are attacking us do it.

    Now it's not particularly ambiguous where Ron Paul's sympathies lie here, with the Muslim terrorists. This is par for the course on the far right, but it once again pins the blame on Israel. Now what happens under a Ron Paul presidency when there are no US troops in Iraq or Saudi Arabia and no foreign aid but the terrorism continues?

    A man who has structured his entire foreign policy on giving in to terrorist blackmail, will hardly turn back from meeting the final terrorist demand. Israel's existence. After all in Ron Paul's worldview, America helped set up Israel which caused Islamic rage. There can only be one form of acceptable restitution, aiding in the destruction of Israel. It would be a small step to take for a man whose base already rages against Israel, whose closest political friends like Pat Buchanan view Israel as evil.

    It would be a small step for the man whose own newsletters suggested Israel was behind the original World Trade Center bombings, called Israel "an aggressive national socialist state" and accused it of muzzling the American media, to contemplate. And even if he didn't, his administration is sure to be packed with those who would.

    Thirdly, Ron Paul is backed by a whole constellation of bigots and neo-nazis who don't just want an end to foreign aid to Israel, they want a whole lot of dead Jews. Ron Paul's base of support comes from the far right and from the far left, among his supporters are people like Pat Buchanan, David Duke, Joseph Sobran, Paul Findley, Don Black, Theodore Beale and Bill White whose hatred for Jews verges on the psychotic.

    Apologists for Ron Paul claim that he is beholden to no one, but a short look at Ron Paul's appearance on Meet the Press demonstrates that he's quite willing to play political games and pass the pork and the legislative kickbacks so long as he doesn't formally vote for them. Throw the Saudis and criminal white supremacist businessmen like Carl Story and Vincent Bertollini into the mix and things will get ugly fast. As Ron Paul's Meet the Press appearance demonstrates, his incorruptible image is a lie just like everything else about his campaign. The exposure of a criminal botnet operating out of the Ukraine and stolen credit card donations to Ron Paul as well as serious amounts of fraud by Ron Paul supporters not to mention donations from white supremacists like Don White should raise serious questions about where all those millions are really coming from and what they're buying.

    But tell you what, let's put all of that aside for a minute. Let's imagine that Ron Paul becomes President and America becomes completely isolationist. No more foreign aid, no more interference. What happens next?

    1. For starters, American companies begin boycotting Israel again in order to comply with the Arab boycott. With no legal restraint, the high tech boom in Israel is going to begin running into trouble as American companies are forced to choose between dealing with the Sheiks and dealing with Israel. Some will choose to maintain innovation and civilization, others will choose oil money. Since many companies comply with the boycott anyway and since despite the boycott, Israel's products do continue to be resold and relabeled through the Muslim world, this may not be a worst case scenario but it isn't something to shrug off either.
     
  2. 2. America's departure does not free Israel, it creates a power vacuum and there are at least two players ready to step into that vacuum, the EU and Russia. Russia already has a fleet in the area and a naval base in Syria. It has Gaydamak's party in Israel, nuclear reactors in Iran and a whole raft of new weapons to unload. The EU is funding multiple Israeli groups such as Peace Now while funding the Arab terrorists and pressuring Israel. Getting rid of American pressure will simply substitute EU pressure in its place. And unlike America, the EU genuinely hates Israel and wants to see it gone.

    The only real thing keeping the EU in check is America. In 1948 America served as a buffer against the British backing of Egypt and Jordan, a backing so intense that England provided weapons and training and even flew planes over Israeli positions in the Negev to create an international incident. King Hussein of Jordan described the British envoy putting a paper in front of him, telling him it was a request for troops and telling him to sign it. British troops were already landing at Aqba when American pressure and a backlash from the British public over a military adventure put a halt to the plan. Meanwhile during the Six Day War, the USSR fielded a plan to land troops in Hafia and lead an Arab uprising. The plan was well underway before it was aborted.

    Despite the absurd statements by some political candidates, American troops will never fight for Israel, but America as a world power helps balance Russian and EU interference in the Middle East. With the Quartet, we've seen Russia and the EU muscle their way in further. Without America, Israel would have to face numerous superpowers on its own.

    If Israel had a strong secure government, it could survive the diplomatic standoff and show enough strength to avoid anything nastier. But then again if Israel had a strong secure government, American pressure would never be a problem in the first place. Sharon said "No" to the State Department and meant it. Olmert can't say "No", he can only say "Maybe" and his wife is a member of the EU funded Peace now. As bad as things are with Rice in the driver's seat, would you really like to see the EU calling the shots?

    I am personally opposed to foreign aid for Israel. I am also opposed to Ron Paul, not because Ron Paul is bad for Israel, but because Ron Paul is bad for America and the world. His foreign and domestic policy would be catastrophic and that would impact everyone. The struggle against the Jihad is a global one and it needs the remaining free countries of the world working together.

    An isolationist order would fall to the Jihad one by one, outnumbered and surrounded because in the end it only takes a single liberal politician a few years to dismantle everything that conservative politicians have done before, Rabin and Clinton are both excellent reminders of that. Israel or America as islands in the Caliphate would not survive for long as free nations, they would fall by violence or treachery or the decay of their morale in the face of a long siege.
    And all that is secondary to the fact that Ron Paul cannot be President and will not be President.

    He is not a serious candidate, he is a spoiler candidate meant to insure a Republican does not become President. The real consequence of the Ron Paul campaign is to be a spoiler candidate, to have Ron Paul run as a third party candidate and bring Hillary Clinton or Obama to power.
    Supporting the Ron Paul campaign for whatever reason insures that you are counted among the ranks of 9/11 Deniers, Holocaust Deniers, Neo-Nazis, Conspiracy Theorists, Anti-Semites who are the real engine behind the Ron Paul grass roots effort and when you join with them, you become their useful idiot. And when Ron Paul is trounced, whatever happens next, the numbers of his supporters will be used to prove that there is widespread support for investigating 9/11 conspiracies, an anti-Israel foreign policy and the various radical agendas of the far left and the far right.

    When you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas and the Ron Paul campaign has some big ugly bloodsuckers on it. They don't support Ron Paul because they "love freedom", they support him because they hate freedom. The biggest tragedy in the lives of men like Pat Buchanan, Joseph Sobran, Don White and David Duke is that they were born too late and in the wrong country to join the SS and they've been trying to compensate for it ever since.

    The Ron Paul campaign harnesses every dirty trick operation that the Buchanan and Duke campaigns have used, every slimy tactic, for one last go at it. Some in Lehi once thought they could make a devil's bargain with the Nazis, but when you bargain with the devil, the devil always wins. The Ron Paul campaign is willing to co-opt Jews but its heart and its base remains in a very dark place.

    http://www.israelenews.com/view.asp?ID=826
     
  3. So to sum it all up, and correct me if i am wrong dddooo; after the zionist lobby turned the US against Muslims, it is now time to turn them against each other and against Europe.

    By doing so, Israel's interests are sure to prevail.
     
  4. Wael, you keep confusing Palestinians with Paulestinians.
    :D
     
  5. Is that the new name assigned t him??? Already???

    What is next? Let me guess...Paulistan???
     
  6. i will never admit this again... but i got a little misty eyed listening to this:

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  7. dinoman

    dinoman

    Hell I am tired of supporting the leaches in this country let alone the world. Cut them all off or our bankruptcy will do it. Either way it will happen.
     
  8. sumosam

    sumosam

    Having lived in the Middle East, I was not surprised at the retaliation at the US. They are meddling where they are not supposed to. And at what benefit to the world.....let alone, leading to their bankrupcy as a nation.

    I'm sorry but I don't get it. I lived in Saudi Arabia for a number of years, and found that the Saudis were pro American, yet also respectful of Arab concerns. To me, I found them quite moderate.

    Now, I went to Israel, and also have great respect for the Jewish culture, and the jewish people. However, I have to say that the American government has come out strongly on the side of Israel due to lobbyists/votes.

    The Arab states i.e. KSA, Dubai, UAE, Oman, even Iraq were quite moderate but also had/have a great deal of wealth and their dealings with North America lead to financial gain for North America.

    In contrast, on a purely economic view, dealings with Israel lead to a drain on the North American economy as it meant vast amounts of money to prop up Israel. Now Russia is yet again mobilizing against the West as Israel, the jews in Europe, and North America demand more and more.....ie. vast amounts of money from Poland "for the Holocaust".

    Please don't get me wrong, I have had good relations with jewish people, many are friends. But I happen to know that many of my jewish friends, do not support the war mongering of Israel.

    Just my 2 cents. I am tired of constant war. There are win/win situations in this world. A country which seeks to expand at the expense of all others is Imperialistic...the next world power...?Israel. Somehow, I doubt it. This would surely upset countries like China, and India, who would not want the world bowing to Jewish supremacy.
    I believe in give and take.

    As a member of Amnesty International, there has been criticism of Israels' actions.

    Human rights and dignity must prevail....when they do not, negative consequences result.
     
  9. sumosam

    sumosam

    Having lived in the Middle East, I was not surprised at the retaliation at the US. They are meddling where they are not supposed to. And at what benefit to the world.....let alone, leading to their bankrupcy as a nation.

    I'm sorry but I don't get it. I lived in Saudi Arabia for a number of years, and found that the Saudis were pro American, yet also respectful of Arab concerns. To me, I found them quite moderate.

    Now, I went to Israel, and also have great respect for the Jewish culture, and the jewish people. However, I have to say that the American government has come out strongly on the side of Israel due to lobbyists/votes.

    The Arab states i.e. KSA, Dubai, UAE, Oman, even Iraq were quite moderate but also had/have a great deal of wealth and their dealings with North America lead to financial gain for North America.

    In contrast, on a purely economic view, dealings with Israel lead to a drain on the North American economy as it meant vast amounts of money to prop up Israel. Now Russia is yet again mobilizing against the West as Israel, the jews in Europe, and North America demand more and more.....ie. vast amounts of money from Poland "for the Holocaust".

    Please don't get me wrong, I have had good relations with jewish people, many are friends. But I happen to know that many of my jewish friends, do not support the war mongering of Israel.

    Just my 2 cents. I am tired of constant war. There are win/win situations in this world. A country which seeks to expand at the expense of all others is Imperialistic...the next world power...?Israel. Somehow, I doubt it. This would surely upset countries like China, and India, who would not want the world bowing to Jewish supremacy.
    I believe in give and take.

    As a member of Amnesty International, there has been criticism of Israels' actions.

    Human rights and dignity must prevail....when they do not, negative consequences result.

    I support diversity. Religious tolerance i.e. respect for Christianity has been attacked by Jewish lobbyists. I believe in a world where there is tolerance for ALL. If Jews want respect, they must also respect others. I do believe in personal responsibility and am not an advocate of the "victim mentality".. My family were victims of the Holocaust...but they have move on with their lives and do not harbour vendettas.

    :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:
     
  10. Jews are up to no good again, didn’t learn nothing from the history. World hates them because they heat the World, well what goes around comes around…
     
    #10     Jan 31, 2008