US parallels swedish experience

Discussion in 'Economics' started by Mav88, Jul 25, 2009.

  1. Mav88

    Mav88

    All economic arguments come with the usual set of disclaimers since economics is not an exact science. That doesn't mean there are not some gross truths though. For example it is almost certain that printing too much fiat currency means inflation, suddenly cutting oil supply by 50% means higher prices in the near term, etc.

    Comparing the US to Sweden is flawed because Sweden is a small export economy with a more homogeneous and well educated population, at least until the muslims outbreed them and turn sweden into pakistan. I still think there are some gross comparisons.

    In particular the Swedish currency crisis of the early 90's is something to look at as a lesson

    I like Wiki's cliff notes version so using that... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Sweden

    A modern western economy whose competitors were destroyed by WWII (Very Important!), real estate bubble, deficit 15% GDP, runaway entitlements... seems familiar to me.

    Swedes traded one of the highest income levels in Europe for big government welfare from 1970-1992. As with almost every single socialist adventure ever made, they found out that the cost is more than they bargained for. The reforms afterwards involved massive cuts to social welfare, something you will never hear american liberals discuss, and to this day Swedish policy is trying to reemphasize capitalistic ideals. They quicky found out that the goals of flat income distributions and government nanny-care leads to poverty for all. So here we are in the US in 2009 and the liberal mouthpieces and laedership eerily echos the very same policies that led to Sweden's crash. As someone once said, history teaches us that we learn nothing from history.

    Here is the swedish prime minister on the 'new model', and once again you will never hear these discussions from an american liberal.


    http://www.regeringen.se/sb/d/10296/a/99193



    The Swedish prime minister loathed socialism sweeping over Sweden displacing free markets and free enterprise, an education system less focused on real knowledge, subsidies for uncompetitve institutions instead of reform ....

    ok now, watch the american left perform the same magic here, only this time there will not be a good economy in the rest of the world to export our way out of this mess. If a talented population like Sweden struggled with this, the disaster awaiting the uncompetitive american melting pot will be irreversible.

    I want to be wrong, but that's my best guess.
     
  2. Eight

    Eight

    But isn't Obama so cute with those big ears and his little teleprompter.
     
  3. Mav88

    Mav88

    yeah he's cute...

    our intellectual heavyweight liberal president seems to think that he needs to butt in on the cop situation in Boston, it keeps him in the spotlight.

    Speaking of educational institutions not focusing on useful knowledge, here we have a black studies guru elevated to a national star. All he does for a living is institutionalize hatred of whites... rome burns. Sweden didn't have a large bitchy and underperforming minority population to deal with. They still struggled.
     
  4. You are a bitter, bitter man, perhaps even a racist, but I don't know you.

    The Swedish model is hardly news. PBS frontline covered it in Nov, 2008. I guessed you just watched it on Fox video.
    "Swedish Solutions to U.S. Financial Crisis - Video - FOXBusiness.com"
     
  5. Mav88

    Mav88

    You are a bitter, bitter man, perhaps even a racist, but I don't know you.

    The Swedish model is hardly news. PBS frontline covered it in Nov, 2008. I guessed you just watched it on Fox video.
    "Swedish Solutions to U.S. Financial Crisis - Video - FOXBusiness.com"


    I am bitter about my country being destroyed, I'll be fine but it's hard to watch the carnage around me. To not be disturbed would be more disturbing.

    I have never seen anyone discuss the parallels like I have outlined here. Calling anything Swedish 'old news' is like calling any economic discussion old news. Useless point you are making.

    You are condescending, but in an annoying retarded sort of way. Perhaps you are even mentally deficient, but I don't know you.
     
  6. FYI, the US is as socialist as any other socialist country out there. Corporate welfare, Farm subsidy/wefare programs, Section 8 housing, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security etc.

    The only people worried about Obama butting into the cop situation are NO-SOLUTION right wing birther losers.

    I suggest you focus on getting your teeth fixed rather than trying to weigh into the economic disaster Bush Jr left the US in.





     
  7. 88 in the handle and a post that disparages minorities is a pretty definitive marker for a certain sort of individual.
    Best not to argue with this. Best to just leave it alone.
     
  8. Mav88

    Mav88

    FYI, the US is as socialist as any other socialist country out there. Corporate welfare, Farm subsidy/wefare programs, Section 8 housing, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security etc.

    The only people worried about Obama butting into the cop situation are NO-SOLUTION right wing birther losers.

    I suggest you focus on getting your teeth fixed rather than trying to weigh into the economic disaster Bush Jr left the US in.


    Doing nothing would be better. So you are fine with farm subsidies, wall street (GS) bailouts, government motors etc., ok so you are all for the socialist failures. No, we are not as socialist as anyone just because you say so.

    Ending them is a solution, butting into cop controversies is not.

    I suggest you focus on getting laid from your boyfriend instead of fixating on Bush.
     
  9. Mav88

    Mav88

    88 in the handle and a post that disparages minorities is a pretty definitive marker for a certain sort of individual.
    Best not to argue with this. Best to just leave it alone.


    oh yeah, the old '88', lol

    I should have known that presenting this was far deeper than some here could handle. No significant rebuttals, yes it is better to just leave alone.
     
  10. Eight

    Eight

    Democrats own blacks in the US. Jesse jackemup has sued private sector employers to the point that, decades ago even, white employers cannot hire blacks due to the downside risk of lawsuit and the reverse discrimination that happens on the job. Blacks are left with welfare subsidized by crime and government jobs. So what does our cute little guy with the ears and his little teleprompter do.. he's a Democrat, he fanned the flames of racism and accused the cops of being racist, etc.. the Democrats want that underperforming and bitchy subculture right where it is, they don't want them to get real jobs in the private sector at all, blacks are social conserevatives for the most part, if they had a real job and were paying taxes they would be Republicans after about three paychecks...

    So we have to take this shit, these accusations of racism, year in and year out so the Democrats can stay in power. Without the black vote Democrats would win no national elections, even if the black vote was divided between Republicans and Democrats, Democrats would be nearly forgotten going back to the mid 20th Century....

    Man, I saw racism, the area of the Mojave Desert I used to call home went black over a decade or two... walking through the WalMart parking lot was an adventure in racism... "you better get out of my way you white bastard" was one thing I heard, from a black woman.... "you took my parking space", "you better watch it":black teenager in a car. "you better not touch my car": black guy about thirty yo, had stuff thrown at my car when I drove home from work... had gangbangers threaten my daughter and her friend..

    These Democrats present this great face of uniting us, and across the aisle bipartisanship, and we're all going to be singing kumbaya and how blacks are going to be fully integrated and what all but they must be telling blacks that it's about a war on whites when nobody else is looking...

    It is sort of funny in the LA Area, with Black Pride in full force for decades and us paying them not to work in the private sector, Mexicans moved in. Mexicans don't take shit from Blacks or care about their "oppression by whites". Mexicans work and Mexicans are more barbaric than blacks in the US. They shoved a hundred thousand of them out of the LA Area and up into the Mojave Desert.. what a joke, pride goes before a fall and it couldn't happen to nicer people :D

    I really don't think that blacks are going to wake up and throw off the yoke of oppression that the Democrats have on them, a few maybe, but the white world is fed up and it makes it hard for those few... whatever... I speak Spanish, all our workers are Mexicans and South Americans, they could not be better employees but you have to watch it or you will have a defacto union steward collecting portions of their wages if you let one of them start bringing his friends in...

    I like this idea that was brought to ET recently, that Detroit is the model for the US.. it's likely true...

    There is no chance in hell that Democrats will avert a repeat of history here and we won't go the way of Sweden, it's all they know how to do, socialists get on the back of an economy and ride it to death making problems all the way down the death spiral...
     
    #10     Jul 26, 2009