Wonder if anyone here trades from Australia?
I'm in Tasmania.
Wonder if anyone here trades from Australia?
I'm in Tasmania.
Registered: Jul 2003
09-07-03 12:09 AM
any Miami area traders?
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Australia is +10GMT. It means you will be trading
US market from 11.30PM to 6:00 AM.
Is this a good time of day to trade? I live in Thailand
and it trades from 8:30 PM to 3.30 Am and i hate it.
Check my post, and whats your opinion?
Nana my man ... being at the 'arse end of the world' (qt. P. Keating) +10 GMT I still haven't made up my mind about the time difference. US market times are definitely difficult, but Europe is pretty good.
Bunds kick off at 4pm local time for half the year (Queensland does not have daylight saving, something about confusing the cows and fading the curtains !? ... ) and 5pm from Oct 26. So if you can fill the kitty before US markets open (11.30pm), or shortly after US bonds open, one can still keep regular hours and have most of the day to do other things [like bang around some Asian markets if you haven't had enough from the night before ]. Also IMO, DAX, CAC, Estx50, Bund, BOBL are much nicer to trade than US instruments.
With respect to infrastructure, broadband is much more accessible than it was a couple of years ago. About A$70 / month for unlimited 256k ADSL [I say unlimited because they cap downloads here ], 1.5M about $150 ; T1/E1 providing you're close to an exchange, starts at about A$ 440 / month. If you want to get into the 'outback' somewhere, or perhaps on an island up in far north queensland [watch out for the stingers they can kill you], satellite is also available. Australia is a big place, so satellite can be a goer ...
The other good place to live in Australia is Perth, W.A.
Having lived elsewhere I can say Australia is one of the
best places to live in the world, although make sure you like beer.
Surf Coast. Victoria.
Sydney..... Australia's biggest city
Im in Melbourne.
Just checking the waters ODDMAN, my wife is an aussie, from melbourne.....so from time to time I think about trying life out there for a while.....oh but the hours!
I forgot to add ... for those who aren't Aussies, and in case you're wondering who Wally Lewis is ...
Possibly the greatest man of all time.
Easily the best sports man ever.
Not even 'The King' himself knows how good he was and is.
Check him out at:
Trading mainly FX from Melbourne, I guess anywhere would be quite similar for such a 24-hour market.
Proud to see all you buggers trading those weird hours down under. Ex-Melbourne boy myself. Car'n the Blues!
Thanks for informing me about europe markets.Well, i tought forex was the only other option. I will have a look at them soon.
How about australian and far east market, can you recommand
some high volume, liquid and trendy instruments ?
No worries Nana. You should most definitely check out Europe, they've got some great contracts for both equities and bonds.
[In fact if I were forced to choose one only, I reckon I'd go with Europe anyway.]
With respect to Asian markets, that too is something I keep an eye on in case I am ever forced to trade the time zone. I think its safe to say they are second class compared to Europe and the US, but there's enough certainly to keep one busy. I should also point out I don't trade them often.
Some markets to consider with the equities:
> Korea [ not technically available to US citizens .. ]
- This contract is apparently right up there in terms of being
a 'tradeable market'. Volume is huge. Personally have never
> Hong Kong
- not a bad little market this one, two contracts including a mini.
The big one is HK $50 (about US$ 6.50) a point, and can whip
around a fair bit as a higher beta market. Index at about
10,900 at the moment. Daily volume about 27k on Friday.
- Nikkei 225 out of Osaka , 1000 times the index, min 10 pts tick
daily avg for Aug about 48,000 contracts
- Nikkei 225 out of Singapore, 500 times the index, min tick 5 pts
- Topix out of Tokyo, 10,000 times the index (about 1070 at the
moment], 0.5 pts min tick, volume is about 20k
- SPI, A$ 25 * index, 1 pt tick , volume is about 10k or so
With bonds obviously the SFE has the entire Aussie curve covered and volumes are generally pretty good, but can be a bit slow during the day especially when you're used to US treasuries or the bunds ; also JGB's out of Singapore and Tokyo, but don't know a lot about these.
So overall there are some reasonable choices in the Asian time zone if one had to do the switch.
Re: the forex. Still haven't made up my mind about this one either, even though I have it as background. I tend to trade it longer term relative to the futures, and with less leverage. Don't like having to cough up such a large spread [although there are some shops like hotspotfx where you can bid etc ] when trading short-term, so have never really looked at it as a serious short-term vehicle.
The hours suck - but the spi sucks worse.
I mainly trade US...mini's...be like a 10pm to 6am graveyard shift...... ....would bring back bad memories of when i had to do it for real! couse swing trading them small is another idea ,,,, seens to me the best place to trade would be europe....DAX in the morning and US in afternoon and eartly evening!
Perth, Western Australia, mother of most of the Gold & Diamonds in the modern world.
I mainly trade the US markets, since the Australian SPI etc don't have sufficient intraday volatility & range in comparison to the US futures ES and NQ for example. Even the Mini-Dow is better than the Sydney SPI
I really like this thread - Particularly wallaby's comments on the tradable eastern markets are very good.
Thanks to all of you for your insights. It was great to see this thread and realize I'm not the only guy trading from Australia and during the middle of the night.
Why don't you trade Europe market, as wally mentioned?
Is there a reason that you don't like them?
I am Planing to change my timing from night trading to daytrading. Just like with any business, we got to trade
daytime and enjoy nighttime.
Wallaby introduced me to new world of trading. Thanks
I have a few times traded European futures, i.e. looked at DAX, CAC and Eurex. The DAX is nice, the Eurex futures could even be the next great trading medium of the world, since it's being heavily advertised now as well as for many other reasons.
How are you gonna change your night trading to day trading? Trade European markets? You'd be better off trading the HKFE or NIKKEI then, wouldn't you?
For me, it would be a large step - I know a lot of stuff about the ES and NQ and its stats and behaviors - Switching markets completely would require re-learning a lot of stuff, since the markets aren't exactly identical. So that would be one barrier to start with.
I have been trading Amex ETFs and nasdaq Bluechips and got
into CME E-MINIs recently.
I were planing to get into forex to have more flexibility for my living time, until I got the Europe market Idea.
You are right. (Switching markets completely would require re-learning a lot of stuff), but doesn't worthe doing it. For me it's
It does not mean i will be stoping US market, but somdays you have to skip trading nighttime, so next day you get recovered
doing forex or Europe market in the morning (when in Dubai)
and afternnon (when in Bangkok).
well, it all depand what you want from your life based on your
status and personality. I am a bachelor and intend to stay for
at least 5-10 years from now, and can't imagine trading at night
for whole my precious life period.
Btw, this way you are even diversified. If you have losing day
in Europe market, you might have wining day in forex or US
market, and Viseversa.
Even some days you don't mind trading for whole day.
You can trade just US market if you can asure that you
have everyday wining, but what if you lose 1 day and
another day breakeven, with remaing three winning days
and two days off in a week.
Then you have a total of 2 winning days in a week only.
Sounds not so good.
My experience has been that trading DAX would be much better than the US indexes.
Look at the charts and you understand why!
Harold Mitchell, Chairman and CEO of Mitchell and Partners, delivered the 2003 Andrew Olle Media Lecture on Friday 24 October.