Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.

  1. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    I can't remember where I heard this recently, but the idea was whether it was more likely that there was some grand plan being orchestrated by some world wide cabal that was somehow kept silent by the many world leaders that were a part of it, or whether it was more likely that it was a result of pure incompetence.

    The speaker seemed to suggest it was a much simpler explanation to go with incompetence.
     
    #6401     Aug 2, 2022
  2. I agree, the point is that no matter what the actual cause is, the solution to such a problem has always been the same, fight it out.
     
    #6402     Aug 2, 2022
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Vatnik
    Vatnik or vatnyk (Russian: ватник) is a political slur, used in Russia and other post-Soviet states based on an internet meme that was introduced in 2011 by Anton Chadskiy, which denotes a steadfast jingoistic follower of propaganda from the Russian government.

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    #6403     Aug 2, 2022
  4. virtusa

    virtusa

    These Russian soldiers are most of the time not very smart. You can clearly see that they are recruited in the poor and marginal areas of Russia.

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    So from now, on if Ukraine sees smoke, they just have to bomb there as it means the Russians are unloading ammunition. ROFLMAO.
     
    #6404     Aug 2, 2022
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  5. Getting those ammo depots continues to be a good thing.

    The Russians have thousands of artillery pieces out there. But they have to have ammo. It is a simple thing to say but it makes a big difference. You would not live long enough to take out all those artillery pieces. But those beasts need to be fed every day and all day. If you get those ammo depots and then compound theor problem by cutting off bridges, especially train bridges, they have to manage their firing rate very carefully.

    Using a himar on an ammo depot is an excellent usage. On an advanced russian artillery launching system- also excellent usage. But to use himars against all those old artillery pieces- not so much. Choke off their ammo. Very limited number of himars in Ukraine right now and for the foreseeable future.
     
    #6405     Aug 2, 2022
  6. smallfil

    smallfil

    Putin just ordered the newest hypersonic missiles Russia has, reported to be 9 times the speed of sound to be deployed in Russian warships. I guess this is in response to the threat of NATO warships to assert itself in the Black Sea area. Threat level just raised a notch.
     
    #6406     Aug 2, 2022
  7. I think you’re some sort of special needs. How can a country that doesn’t have nuclear win against the one that does? Whatever happens, Ukraine would lose this, one way or the other. Russia will join an alliance with Arab states and of course China, they won’t need you anymore, your attitude is who the F are these morons to dictate to us? So you will have your own smaller world, don’t worry.

     
    #6407     Aug 2, 2022
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Just remember who is abusing their ethnic minorities by using them as cannon fodder. Is there any surprise they suddenly want to leave the Russian federation.

    Russia’s ethnic minorities lament the war in Ukraine
    Ethnic minority troops are said to be dying in greater numbers than their Slav compatriots in the so-called ‘special military operation’.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/8/2/racist-federation-russias-minorities-complain-of-racism

    In March, President Vladimir Putin awarded Nurmagomed Gadzhimagomedov with the Hero of Russia and used the opportunity to celebrate Russia’s ethnic diversity.

    Gadzhimagomedov, a senior lieutenant from Dagestan, had served in Russia’s airborne troops and died in combat in the first days of Russia’s war on Ukraine.

    “I am a Russian man,” said Putin, as he announced the top honorary title. “But when I see examples of heroism like this young man, Nurmagomed Gadzhimagomedov – a native of Dagestan, a Lak by ethnicity, our other soldiers, I want to say: ‘I am a Lak, I am a Dagestani, I am a Chechen, Ingush, Russian, Tatar, Jew, Mordvin, Ossetian’.”

    He praised Gadzhimagomedov for fighting against Ukrainian “neo-Nazis”, adding: “I am proud of being part of this world, part of the powerful, strong, multiethnic people of Russia.”

    Minority rights are, according to the Kremlin, at the heart of Russia’s officially termed “special operation” in Ukraine.

    Putin and his administration constantly point to the alleged ill-treatment of Ukraine’s Russian-speaking minority as a reason for the invasion.

    Meanwhile, at home, about 80 percent of the population identify as ethnic Russians, or Slavs, but the country is also home to more than 160 other ethnicities – and tensions are resurfacing between minority groups and the state, especially as the Ukraine war grinds on.

    According to open source researchers, soldiers with roots in poorer regions such as Buryatia and Dagestan are disproportionately represented among Russian casualties in Ukraine.

    “Most of the soldiers and officers of the ground forces and the airborne forces come from poor Russian towns and villages,” military specialist Pavel Luzin told Al Jazeera.

    “This social-economic stratification has a long-term tradition in the Russian armed forces because young men from the cities with relatively good education serve in other military branches … but the infantry consists of badly-educated soldiers from poor families and regions.”

    Buryatia, in Siberia, was once a part of Mongolia that was conquered by Cossacks in the 17th century.

    “We can’t determine our own politics – if we had a real federation, the head of our republic could say no, Buryats won’t fight in this criminal war. But he keeps providing cannon fodder for Putin,” Victoria Maladaeva, of the Free Buryatia Foundation, told Al Jazeera.

    “Buryatia, like the other ethnic republics, is governed by the colonial policies of Moscow,” Maladaeva continued.

    “Our languages and history are disappearing off the face of the Earth, while Moscow sucks all the money and resources out of the provinces. Moscow is a beautiful city but it’s such a facade of all of Russia, because if you go just a little further, the houses are falling apart, there are no roads, there’s no work.”

    Shortly after the start of the war, Maladaeva, who now lives in San Francisco, connected with other members of the Buryat diaspora to form the Free Buryatia Foundation, the first peace movement run by ethnic minority leaders.

    As well as calling for greater autonomy from Moscow, the group films anti-war videos, researches Russian losses in Ukraine, provides a community for like-minded Buryats, and helps would-be soldiers escape deployment to the front.

    In July, the foundation reported that it helped 150 Buryat soldiers find loopholes to refuse participation in the war, allowing them to return home.

    “Contractors [soldiers] and their families are always writing to us, saying that they don’t want to fight, but there are many obstacles along the way. Some of them are being held back on occupied territories [of Ukraine], and they’re pressured, threatened, afraid they’ll be sent to the front line to be killed,” Maladaeva said.

    “When they submit their refusal, they’re asked ‘Who will defend the motherland?’ They reply if someone attacks their motherland they’ll defend it, but they see no motherland in Ukraine.

    “We know we can’t influence Vladimir Putin directly, but the less cannon fodder he has at his disposal, the sooner this war will end.”

    ‘I call it the Racist Federation’
    Even bloodier than the Siberia conquest was that of Caucasus in the 19th century, the area which includes Chechnya, Dagestan and what is now Sochi.

    The entire Circassian nation was expelled to Turkey and those who remained to fight for their land were slaughtered.

    Then, under Josef Stalin in the 20th century, almost the entire Chechen population was exiled at gunpoint to the steppes of Kazakhstan when they were suspected of disloyalty during World War II. Tens of thousands perished en route, and the survivors were only allowed to return after Stalin’s death.

    “In Russia, the level of chauvinism is very high,” Chechen lawyer and human rights defender Abubakar Yangulbaev told Al Jazeera. “I even call it the ‘Racist Federation’, as it perfectly reflects the inner essence of the state both among the Russian people and among the officials.”

    In the 2000s, racist attacks by violent neo-Nazi skinhead gangs became daily occurrences; in 2008, the peak, they committed 110 murders, according to Sova, a Moscow-based hate crimes watchdog organisation.

    Since then, the ultranationalist movement has weakened, but less deadly, everyday racism persists. As late as last year, landlords in Russia were still able to list their lettings online as “for Slavs only”.

    “I think every non-Russian has come across this; we’re always experiencing discrimination,” said Maladaeva. “Once my mother forgot her passport and the cops held her for five hours since they wouldn’t believe she was a Russian citizen.

    “We lived in St Petersburg where I took part in a beauty contest, and on social media, they kept writing I should have my head stuck down the toilet, and, ‘Why is a Buryat representing Peter anyway?’”

    Chechens loyal to Putin ‘are a minority’
    Chechnya briefly won independence after a bloody war in the 1990s, only to be retaken by Russian troops who enlisted former rebel Akhmad Kadyrov to crush the remaining armed uprising.

    His son, Ramzan Kadyrov, now rules the republic, and under him, there are regular reports of torture, disappearances and wrongful imprisonment.

    “Yes, there are Chechens who are loyal to Putin and Kadyrov, the Kadyrovites, but they are a minority who do not enjoy respect among the people as they are considered privileged traitors to their country,” said Yangulbaev.

    “These men are armed and use torture, executions and kidnappings to crush popular unrest with the permission or tacit consent of Putin, as well as on the orders of Kadyrov. For this, they are rewarded, but are never brought to justice for the crimes they committed.”

    Kadyrov is a close ally of Putin, and is supporting the Russian invasion of Ukraine with thousands of fierce Chechen fighters.

    But in a sign of Chechnya’s divided society, there are also two battalions of Chechens fighting on behalf of Ukraine, among them veterans of previous wars eager to have another shot at the Russians.

    Yangulbaev said in Chechnya, “The memory of two bloody wars with Russia is still fresh, and people are often against going to die for such a country, which the numbers prove: there are only 1,340 volunteers from Chechnya at the moment.”

    So reluctant are some Chechens to enlist that according to opposition activists and bloggers, authorities are reportedly rounding up manpower for Ukraine through threats, blackmail, and intimidation.

    “I know several examples of people recruited through blackmail, but such cases are few,” Yangulbaev said.

    “But positive blackmail, when someone is promised to have their criminal record wiped clean for taking part in the war, is widespread. Which is proven by the numbers I’ve collected: almost 30 percent of all volunteers have an outstanding criminal record.”

    Elsewhere, army recruiters are now reportedly promising cash bonuses for short tours of duty, a tempting offer in deprived towns and provinces with few opportunities outside of military service, such as Dagestan, where the unemployment rate is three times the national average.
     
    #6408     Aug 2, 2022
  9. terr

    terr

    I lived in Russia, I speak the language, and I read Russian forums a bit. I also read Russian books here and there.

    Russians are one of the most xenophobic and racist societies. Russians literally have a separate derogatory word for every ethnicity out there and freely use them. The Russian books I read are usually sci-fi, LitRPG, that kind of stuff. In quite a few, though the books are interesting, the casual, not related to the book subject, just a matter-of-fact racism and homophobia are off the scale. Not because it in any way advances the book, but just because it is an accepted mode of thinking.

    As an example: on one of the forums someone posted a statement from the US Sec. of Defense about Ukraine. The first two (and later quite a few subsequent) comments were not about the statement or any disagreement with it. They were literally, I am not exaggerating: "Who does this n**** think he is?". And the "n***" was the English version of the word, deliberately, not the Russian word for "black".
     
    #6409     Aug 2, 2022
  10. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    I'm curious here. Are you suggesting that Ukrainians don't behave in pretty much the exact same way?
     
    #6410     Aug 2, 2022
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