Republican Governor demonstrates those who push "Natural Herd Immunity" are idiots

Nine_Ender · Nov 2, 2020

jem said:
Fear monger first, check later.. is his Covid m.o.

We see him lie on almost every Covid thread over and over.

He lied when he said Deaths are rapidly accelerating.
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Almost every theory you've posted on this site concerning Covid has proven to be wrong given enough time. And you lack the integrity to admit it.

Nine_Ender · Nov 2, 2020

Ricter said:
You lie when you say there's no science showing the earth is warming. There is, you simply disagree with it. Because... taxes.
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It is important to remember he has a B. of Arts and lacks much if any expertise in numerous areas he preaches about on this site.

jem · Nov 2, 2020

really...
you are claiming there is no immunity to Covid? How would vaccines work?

You still claiming that Canada is doing well even though the infections went past your pre lock down high and your deaths are moving up significantly.

you fricken liar.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/canada

and don't try and pretend I was supporting the US vs Canada.
I have told you a million times the US locked down to... especially California.

Nine_Ender said:
Almost every theory you've posted on this site concerning Covid has proven to be wrong given enough time. And you lack the integrity to admit it.
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Tsing Tao · Nov 2, 2020

Interesting disparity in actual deaths by date of death vs. reported lately.

Nine_Ender · Nov 2, 2020

jem said:
really...
you are claiming there is no immunity to Covid? How would vaccines work?

You still claiming that Canada is doing well even though the infections went past your pre lock down high and your deaths are moving up significantly.

you fricken liar.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/canada

and don't try and pretend I was supporting the US vs Canada.
I have told you a million times the US locked down to... especially California.
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Canada is doing well. It seems to be going way over your head why this is the case. You just seem to be constantly behind on what the data is saying and heavily biased on your interpretation. We told you, a second wave was expected. Whatever the impact was would result in targeted restrictions as needed to control the outbreaks. The national strategy has been set for many months. Details/exact timing handled provincially.

Your whole approach on this topic is intellectually dishonest. It serves no real purpose from a practical point of view.

jem · Nov 2, 2020

you words mean nothing...
try arguing with data...

I told you to expect a second wave back in the spring.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/canada/

your 7 day average of deaths... and
7 day average of new cases are strongly trending up.

That can not be good in any way shape or form.

Stop lying and grow up.
Canada is nice country...
But, you have a Covid problem like many other countries...

Nine_Ender said:
Canada is doing well. It seems to be going way over your head why this is the case. You just seem to be constantly behind on what the data is saying and heavily biased on your interpretation. We told you, a second wave was expected. Whatever the impact was would result in targeted restrictions as needed to control the outbreaks. The national strategy has been set for many months. Details/exact timing handled provincially.

Your whole approach on this topic is intellectually dishonest. It serves no real purpose from a practical point of view.
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Tsing Tao · Nov 2, 2020

Nine_Ender said:
Canada is doing well. It seems to be going way over your head why this is the case. You just seem to be constantly behind on what the data is saying and heavily biased on your interpretation. We told you, a second wave was expected. Whatever the impact was would result in targeted restrictions as needed to control the outbreaks. The national strategy has been set for many months. Details/exact timing handled provincially.

Your whole approach on this topic is intellectually dishonest. It serves no real purpose from a practical point of view.
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I'm curious how you define "well". What metrics are you using when you say that "Canada is doing well"?

Hotcakes · Nov 2, 2020

gwb-trading said:
This Republican governor just showed the receipts to the coronavirus 'herd immunity' crowd
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/15/politics/tate-reeves-mississippi-coronavirus-herd-immunity/

Tate Reeves is the Republican governor of Mississippi. He's also an economics major who worked for a bank prior to getting into politics.

In other words, he knows numbers.

Which brings me to a series of tweets from Reeves earlier this week in which he systematically destroyed the argument that everyone should just get Covid-19 now so that we build up a herd immunity. (The geniuses behind that theory of the case are some of the same ones pushing for young people to have coronavirus parties so everyone there gets exposed.)

Here's Reeves' data-driven argument against that thinking -- in seven tweets.

1) "Let's talk about herd immunity. I've listened to some people argue that the rapid spread of cases is a good thing, and we need to reach herd immunity in Mississippi and elsewhere to survive. I'm not a health care expert by any means, but I am a math guy. And I have thoughts:"

2) "The experts say we need 70-80% of the population to get COVID-19 to achieve herd immunity. Let's assume they're wrong (it's certainly possible, they have been before.) Let's assume they're being way overly cautious and we actually only need 40% infection for herd immunity."

3) "In Mississippi, our population is 3 million. We've had 36,680 cases so far. We'd need 1.2 MILLION infections to achieve that hypothetical 40% threshold. (Remember, experts say it's double that.)"

4) "Over the last two weeks, our hospital system has started to become stressed to the point of pain. We are seeing the early signs and effects of it becoming overwhelmed. We had to suspend elective surgeries again."

5) "On our worst day of new cases, we had just over 1,000. It has typically been between 700-900 during this most aggressive time. To get to 40% infections, we'd need 3,187 new cases every day for a full year from today. We would need to TRIPLE our worst day -- every day -- for a year."

6) "I'm not one of these guys that immediately dismisses any idea that challenges the expert status quo talking points. I'm pretty skeptical by nature. That's healthy. But herd immunity is not anything like a realistic solution in the short or mid-term. I wish it was."

7) "Unless you're willing to go without hospitals after a car wreck or heart attack, we need a different approach. Right now, despite mixed messages at the beginning, it seems like masks are the best bet. They're a hell of a lot better than widespread shut downs. Please wear one!"

Yeah, all of that.

What Reeves is doing is what we all should be doing -- pushing back against the wild theories of how the coronavirus is either overblown or not that bad with cold, hard facts.

The idea that we can all somehow develop herd immunity without drastically overtaxing the hospital system is a fantasy. Even if you assume -- as proponents of the herd immunity idea do -- that many more of us have had coronavirus (and not even known it) than testing shows, you are still talking about a number of cases requiring hospitalizations that would overwhelm the system in virtually every state.

Rather than looking for some magic bullet to get us through this pandemic -- or, as President Donald Trump has done, declaring the fight won when it obviously isn't, what we should do is exactly what Reeves recommends: Wear a mask when in public! Because, unlike crackpot theories around herd immunity, the scientific community has concluded that masks help mitigate the spread of the virus.

"We are not defenseless against COVID-19," said CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield on Tuesday.
"Cloth face coverings are one of the most powerful weapons we have to slow and stop the spread of the virus -- particularly when used universally within a community setting. All Americans have a responsibility to protect themselves, their families, and their communities."

Reeves isn't the only Republican governor using logic -- and data -- to help limit the recent surges in the virus. On Wednesday, Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey (R) announced a statewide mask mandate. "We're almost to the point where our hospital ICUs are overwhelmed," she said. "Folks, the numbers just do not lie."

Unfortunately, not all Republican governors are being as reasonable. Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt (R), who has resisted mandating mask-wearing in his state, announced Wednesday that he had tested positive for coronavirus, the first governor in the country to do so. "I was pretty shocked that I was the first governor to get it," Stitt said.
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Enjoy ur covid motherfucker. I dont give a fuck and many people dont give a fuck either.

We're not going under a medical dictatorship cause u stupid old fucks cashed in this countries future to China for $$$$$$. And now you 85 year olds wanna squeeze a few more breaths in, so bankrupt the country and burn down whats left our freedoms....!?!??!

Let me be very clear.

Americas economic solvency and FREEDOMS, ARE WORTH WAY THE FUCK MORE THEN UR OLD DECREPIT ASS.

You know what the means? If its between you and the boat, you're going over the boat gramps. FUck you.