Mikhail Gorbatchov Criticize the United States at his 75 birthday.

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by SouthAmerica, Mar 2, 2006.

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    March 3, 2006

    SouthAmerica: Mikhail Gorbatchov turned 75 years old on Thursday March 2, 2006.

    He took the occasion to criticize the United States – he said he was sorry that the end of the cold war left the United States with a “Complex of superiority.”

    It would be good for the entire world if the US got cured of that disease.

    He said that the collapse of the Soviet Union and the end of the cold war was a gift that the United States just thrown away….


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    02/03/2006
    “Gorbatchov completa 75 anos e critica os Estados Unidos”
    By France Presse, in Moscou
    Folha de Sao Paulo - Brazil

    O ex-líder soviético e vencedor do prêmio Nobel da Paz Mikhail Gorbatchov completou 75 anos nesta quinta-feira e se declarou triste pelo fato de que o fim da Guerra Fria tenha deixado os Estados Unidos com o que ele chamou de "complexo de superioridade".

    "Seria do interesse de todo o mundo que aquele grande país da América se recuperasse dessa doença", declarou a jornalistas no início desta semana.

    Gorbatchov, que lançou as reformas democráticas e econômicas que acabaram levando ao colapso da União Soviética, em 1991, descreveu o fim da Guerra Fria como um presente que os Estados Unidos jogaram fora.

    Ele também denunciou uma crescente "russofobia", afirmando que "alguns no Ocidente gostariam de ver a Rússia estrangulada".

    "A Rússia, com seu enorme potencial intelectual e militar e o controle de 42% das reservas naturais do mundo, causa medo no Ocidente, e até mesmo nossos amigos hoje temem o renascimento do império russo", afirmou.

    O colapso da União Soviética tornou Gorbatchov impopular em casa e muitos afirmam que ele atuou como um cavalo de Tróia para o Ocidente.

    "Ninguém é realmente grato, nem no exterior, nem em casa", disse o historiador russo Anatoly Utkin.

    "Gorbatchov está profundamente desapontado com o Ocidente, especialmente com Washington, que não honrou praticamente nenhuma de suas promessas depois de todas as concessões [da União Soviética]", acrescentou.

    "Gorbatchov se lembra bem que Washington sempre prometeu não avançar para o leste da fronteira da Otan [Organização do Tratado do Atlântico Norte]", disse Utkin, acrescentando que tais promessas sempre foram verbais.

    Nikolai Zenkovich, autor da enciclopédia russa Elita, disse que, nas 40 visitas que Gorbatchov fez ao exterior durante os seis anos que passou no poder (1985-1991), ele "quase sempre cedeu a seus parceiros ocidentais".

    "Ele também vê que o Ocidente não manteve seus compromissos oficiais, inclusive aquele sob o acordo assinado em outubro de 1990, em Viena, sobre a criação de uma Europa sem alianças: o Pacto de Varsóvia desapareceu, mas não a Otan", disse Utkin.

    "Tudo isto deve ter alterado a atitude [de Gorbatchov]" em relação ao Ocidente, afirmou.

    Na segunda feira (27), o ex-chanceler alemão Helmut Kohl --que estará entre os 300 convidados à festa de aniversário do ex-presidente soviético, no restaurante Napoleão, em Moscou, nesta quinta-feira-- prestou homenagem ao seu papel na reunificação da Alemanha, em 1990.

    O ex-presidente americano, George Bush pai não pôde comparecer, mas enviou uma saudação em vídeo para a ocasião.

    Foi durante a era Gorbatchov que os soviéticos, notavelmente os intelectuais, começaram a se voltar para o Ocidente em busca de inspiração.

    "Idealistas e maniqueístas por natureza, os russos da época voluntariamente inverteram um antigo esquema e designaram o Ocidente como o 'bem encarnado' e a si próprios como o 'mal'", concluiu Utkin.

    Homenagem

    O presidente russo, Vladimir Putin, disse nesta quinta-feira que Mikhail Gorbatchov é o homem que permitiu à Rússia "dar um passo decisivo rumo à democracia" e realizar uma política "de abertura" na cena internacional, por ocasião dos 75 anos do ex-presidente soviético.

    O presidente russo enviou uma mensagem a Gorbatchov, na qual sublinha que o ex-líder soviético está entre "os políticos que influenciaram a história contemporânea do mundo".

    "Seu nome está associado à transição para uma política de abertura nas relações internacionais. E, obviamente, às mudanças que permitiram a nosso país dar um passo decisivo para a democracia", escreveu o presidente russo em sua mensagem, segundo a agência Interfax.

    Embora sempre muito prudente em seus posicionamentos e defensor, em termos gerais, da política de Vladimir Putin, o pai da perestroika (política de reforma, de abertura e de democratização da URSS lançada em 1985) chegou a criticar algumas iniciativas do Kremlin, sobretudo no domínio da liberdade de imprensa.

    Ontem, Gorbatchov desmentiu ter assinado o pedido feito pelo ex-presidente tcheco Vaclav Havel e várias outras personalidades mundiais contra a política de Moscou na Tchetchênia e o "retorno à autocracia" na Rússia, por ocasião da visita de Putin a Praga.

    Respeitado como figura histórica no Ocidente, mas criticado na Rússia, o ex-presidente soviético convidou na noite desta quinta-feira vários ex-líderes estrangeiros para sua festa de aniversário em Moscou, anunciou sua assessoria de imprensa.


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  2. Sam123

    Sam123 Guest

    South, since you are a Latin Neo-Communist, it’s funny you quote Gorbachev, the man who helped America win the Cold War and place the World’s Communists in the loser's shit-can.
     
  3. The search is on for the next Reagan to put 'em back in their place! :)
     
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    Sam123: South, since you are a Latin Neo-Communist, it’s funny you quote Gorbachev, the man who helped America win the Cold War and place the World’s Communists in the loser's shit-can.


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    March 3, 2006

    SouthAmerica: You and some other people on this board call me a neo-communist and a commie, and so on. But that is your only defense for your radical. Static, and obsolete views.

    When I talk to people who are communists they call me a jackass because I don’t agree with their philosophy and I tell them that communism is obsolete and dead.

    When I meet people who came from a socialist countries they tell me that after reading my articles that I am not a socialist.

    It is very interesting when I get in a round table as happened about 3 years ago at a college here in NJ – we had a bunch of very well educated people – some neo-cons, some democrats, a fellow who came to the US from a socialist country and he had a good understanding of real socialism in practice, and some other people who were middle of the road.

    The entire discussion started when the neo-con said that I must be a communist. The fellow who was a socialist said that he had been reading all my articles and he was sure that I was not a communist or even a socialist. After an entire hour of discussion about what this people thought of the political and economic ideology and what they thought about my writing - the other six people at the table turned to me and they were not sure where I standed on anything – they ask me what are you?

    The problem is people had been judging me from their personal point of view and they came to the conclusion that I had to be exactly the opposite of what they believed in. But when all these people with various points of view started discussing among themselves what they thought regarding my political and economic ideology – then they realized that all of them were wrong – that’s why after an hour of discussion they asked me – What are you?

    I am an independent thinker and I am not a prisoner to any ideology. I think in economic terms and not in terms of political ideology – and as an economist I adapt my thinking to our dynamic world – I am flexible and adaptive on my thinking to the new circumstances and my thinking is not frozen in the past as it seems to me that happens to a lot of people politicians and in the media - their thinking is frozen in a world long gone.

    I know from experience and all the letters to the editor and emails that I received from a lot of people over the years regarding my articles – They read my stuff from their personal point of view and they think that I am the opposite of what they believe in – and that applies from conservatives to middle of the road to liberals. People just have a hard time trying to pinpoint where I stand on a lot of issues – some times I am at the right – some times I am at the left – a lot of times I am at the center and most people thinks that I am somewhere else.

    Sam123, when you call me “Neo-Communist” that says more where you come from than what I am in reality. But if that is what you think about me and that makes you happy – that’s fine with me. There are as many people who think exactly the opposite than you do.

    If you had the chance of reading some of my articles you would see that I mention in some of the articles that I used to think this way and over the years I changed my mind and I believe in something else today. If you don’t have a dynamic and flexible thinking that can adjust as a moving target – then you don’t know what I am talking about. And you thinking probably is frozen in some obsolete and old way of doing things.


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  5. Gorby's a bitter old fool. Who cares what he thinks?
     
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    March 3, 2006

    SouthAmerica: According to this article published by Reuters today, U.S. President George W. Bush on Friday defended job outsourcing to India.

    He said: “People do lose jobs as a result of globalization. And it's painful for those who lose jobs. - The United States would counter it by educating people with the skills needed to be employed in jobs emerging in the 21st century rather than discouraging outsourcing, he said.”

    George W. Bush should tell that to the American employees of Sharp Electronics in Mahwah, NJ – A few years back the management of Sharp Electronics at Mahwah (the company’s headquarters in the USA) told their American employees that they were supposed to trainee the replacements for their jobs – Sharp Electronics had hired some company from India to run its IT – The Indian employees came from India to the US to replace the American workers – most of these people were making almost 1/3 of the salary of the American workers that they were replacing in New Jersey.

    These American jobs were not outsourced to India – the Indians outsourced their people to the US to take American jobs at very low wages and no benefits.

    All these American workers were well educated and were ready to work right here in NJ.

    Maybe George W. Bush is trying to say that these American workers should be retrained to work at a Wal-Mart store making instead of $80,00 to $100,000 dollars per year with benefits the Wal-Mart wage of $ 6 dollars per hour and no benefits.

    The Indians who relocated to NJ were making a very low wage for the local costing of living in NJ. - But for some reason this low wage were acceptable to them and they were supposed to be having a better living than they would have in their own country.


    The article also said: “Bush was also shown a huge, black Indian buffalo and university officials wanted a farmer couple to milk the animal with their hands in front of the visitor but the U.S. president was apparently not keen to see it, officials said later.”

    I guess George W. Bush refused to have a religious experience in India, and he did not realized that he was insulting the Indians – since in India they have cows all over the place because cows are supposed to be sacred animals according to their religious beliefs.


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    “Bush defends outsourcing, Muslims clash with police”
    Reuters - Fri Mar 3, 2006
    By Tabassum Zakaria and Palash Kumar

    HYDERABAD, India (Reuters) - U.S. President George W. Bush on Friday defended job outsourcing to India during a whistlestop tour of an Indian technology city as Muslims clashed with police in protests against his visit.

    Bush's five-hour trip to the southern city of Hyderabad came a day after he sealed a landmark civilian atomic cooperation deal with New Delhi that recognizes India's status as a responsible nuclear power.

    "People do lose jobs as a result of globalization. And it's painful for those who lose jobs," Bush told an entrepreneur during a discussion at Hyderabad's Indian School of Business.
    The United States would counter it by educating people with the skills needed to be employed in jobs emerging in the 21st century rather than discouraging outsourcing, he said.

    "The United States will reject protectionism. We won't fear competition. We welcome competition, but we won't fear the future either because we intend to shape it through good policies," Bush said "People in America should, I hope, maintain their confidence about the future," said Bush, whose job approval ratings have been tumbling in part because of concerns about the U.S. economy.

    Outsourcing and software exports are forecast to earn India more than $20 billion in the fiscal year ending March, with about 60 percent of that coming from U.S. companies.

    As Bush spoke, hundreds of Muslim youths fought pitched battles with policemen outside a mosque about 16 km (10 miles) away in the city's old quarters, throwing stones and bricks as they protested against his visit.

    Four people including two policemen were injured as police caned the demonstrators, an officer said.
    "Allah-u Akbar (God is Great)," the youth, many of them wearing prayer caps, shouted as they rushed out of the mosque and tried to breach a police cordon in the street.

    "Bush Enemy" read a black banner on the wall of the mosque.

    FARMING, CATTLE

    Traffic was very sparse in the usually choked streets and bylanes of Hyderabad's old quarters as markets and businesses shut down in protest.
    "Osama is our ideal, we can die for Osama," shouted some Muslim engineering students as they marched through the streets carrying posters of al Qaeda leader bin Laden.

    "He is a freedom fighter. He is our leader. We love him more than our parents," said Mohtassin, a 19-year-old student who gave only one name.

    Protests were also staged in the capital New Delhi, the northern city of Lucknow and Srinagar, the summer capital of Jammu and Kashmir state, India's only Muslim-majority state.

    Earlier, Bush visited an agriculture university and toured the seed research area where women in sarees bent and tended to green patches where peanuts and soybeans had been planted.

    The university began collaborating with Cornell University of the United States in 2004 to develop Indian agriculture.
    Bush was also shown a huge, black Indian buffalo and university officials wanted a farmer couple to milk the animal with their hands in front of the visitor but the U.S. president was apparently not keen to see it, officials said later.

    Security for Bush in the region has been stepped up.

    In Pakistan, the president's next stop, a suicide bomber killed an American diplomat and two others outside the U.S. consulate in Karachi on Thursday.
    Bush said terrorists would not stop his Pakistan visit, where he is due to hold talks on Saturday.

    The nuclear deal, which would make U.S. nuclear fuel and technology available to New Delhi despite concerns in the United States, put the seal on Bush's India visit.

    But it still needs to be endorsed by the U.S. Congress and, in an indication of possible rough water ahead, a leading Democrat called the pact a "historic failure".

    (Additional reporting by S. Radha Kumar in HYDERABAD and Steve Holland and Kamil Zaheer in NEW DELHI)


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  7. Gorbachov. That's how you spell Jimmy Carter in russian.
     
  8. jem

    jem

    It is hard to pin you down.

    I take you back to your statement about Iran. You said Iran would not use Nuclear weapons. You made the statement as if you were some sort of authority. It had a grandiose quality to it. Almost like you believed your insight meant something to the world or had some correlation to reality. You even said something about Iranians not using nukes because you met a few Iranians and they are nice people.


    Any sane reader is left with two choices.

    Believe you to be the biggest dope of the planet (who writes cogently) or some type of person who desires a radical change in the worlds political structure

    Therefore a conservative sees you as a communist agitator. Not because you seem to wish for a workers utopia, but because we know that most whacko agitators are lovers of the type of radical change supported by communists.
     
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    Jem: It is hard to pin you down.

    I take you back to your statement about Iran. You said Iran would not use Nuclear weapons. You made the statement as if you were some sort of authority. It had a grandiose quality to it. Almost like you believed your insight meant something to the world or had some correlation to reality. You even said something about Iranians not using nukes because you met a few Iranians and they are nice people.

    Any sane reader is left with two choices.

    Believe you to be the biggest dope of the planet (who writes cogently) or some type of person who desires a radical change in the worlds political structure

    Therefore a conservative sees you as a communist agitator. Not because you seem to wish for a workers utopia, but because we know that most whacko agitators are lovers of the type of radical change supported by communists.


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    March 3, 2006

    SouthAmerica: The current American made crisis with Iran – it is big news only here in the US because the US needs a boogieman to justify its humongous defense spending.

    In Brazil, the current USA-Iran crisis is a footnote on page 20 of the daily newspaper. Nobody believes that Iran is going to attack the United States with nuclear weapons. In the past the Soviet Union was supposed to attack the US with nukes.

    Just as a curiosity – Did the Soviets ever attack the US with nukes? No.

    Iran also will not use their nuclear weapons – if the US stop interfering on Iran’s internal affairs and stop trying to overthrow their elected governments such as in 1953. The US wants to install a dictator as the ruler of Iran – in the same mode as Shah Reza Palavi.

    But I understand where you come from – the Soviet Union still is one of your boogiemen – since you still calling people commies, and you still under the communist frame of mind.

    I understand in your world Fidel Castro also is a major threat to American national security – he might land in Florida with his army to get you.

    All I can say is that you people are neurotic about one boogieman or another – you are always afraid that some country is coming to destroy you.

    I am sorry for a person who thinks like you. Do you still sleep with the lights on? - just in case if there is a boogieman under your bed.

    I guess you see me a communist agitator because you don’t have a choice – but for people like you what you really want to call people is – terrorist or Al-Qaeda.

    The rhetoric of neo-cons changed from calling people communist or a commie – to terrorist or Al-Qaeda.

    But since I am not an Arab or ever been in the Middle East for that matter – you need to use the old rhetoric – you must be a commie.

    I think it is funny when you guys call me a commie – and when I show that to so of my friends they also laugh about what you guys are saying since they now me much better than the old guard who participates on the discussions on this message board.

    Just a reminder: the Soviets are not coming - but the Russian mafia has been here for a while and they are doing very well - and many of them live in Brooklyn.


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  10. When I was in Rio, the place was one big slum with a soldier with a rifle around every corner with the exception of the tourist areas where the women were HOT and mostly naked. Stop talking and send them up here where they'll be appreciated.
     
    #10     Mar 3, 2006