Jewish Identity Can't Depend on Violence

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    http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/arun_gandhi/2008/01/jewish_identity_in_the_past.html

    Arun Gandhi

    Jewish identity in the past has been locked into the holocaust experience -- a German burden that the Jews have not been able to shed. It is a very good example of a community can overplay a historic experience to the point that it begins to repulse friends. The holocaust was the result of the warped mind of an individual who was able to influence his followers into doing something dreadful. But, it seems to me the Jews today not only want the Germans to feel guilty but the whole world must regret what happened to the Jews. The world did feel sorry for the episode but when an individual or a nation refuses to forgive and move on the regret turns into anger.

    The Jewish identity in the future appears bleak. Any nation that remains anchored to the past is unable to move ahead and, especially a nation that believes its survival can only be ensured by weapons and bombs. In Tel Aviv in 2004 I had the opportunity to speak to some Members of Parliament and Peace activists all of whom argued that the wall and the military build-up was necessary to protect the nation and the people. In other words, I asked, you believe that you can create a snake pit -- with many deadly snakes in it -- and expect to live in the pit secure and alive? What do you mean? they countered. Well, with your superior weapons and armaments and your attitude towards your neighbors would it not be right to say that you are creating a snake pit? How can anyone live peacefully in such an atmosphere? Would it not be better to befriend those who hate you? Can you not reach out and share your technological advancement with your neighbors and build a relationship?

    Apparently, in the modern world, so determined to live by the bomb, this is an alien concept. You don't befriend anyone, you dominate them. We have created a culture of violence (Israel and the Jews are the biggest players) and that Culture of Violence is eventually going to destroy humanity.
     
  2. Attack begat humanity.
    Violence will perpetuate it.
    Joy will destroy it.

    Jesus
     
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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/25/AR2008012502802.html

    Arun Gandhi Quits Peace Institute in Flap Over Blog Posting

    By Michelle Boorstein
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Saturday, January 26, 2008; C07

    The grandson of Indian spiritual leader Mahatma Gandhi resigned yesterday as president of the board of a conflict resolution institute after writing an online essay on a Washington Post blog calling Jews and Israel "the biggest players" in a global culture of violence.

    In his resignation letter to the board of the M.K. Gandhi Institute for Nonviolence, founder Arun Gandhi wrote that his Jan. 7 essay "was couched in language that was hurtful and contrary to the principles of nonviolence. My intention was to generate a healthy discussion on the proliferation of violence. Clearly I did not achieve my goal. Instead, unintentionally, my words have resulted in pain, anger, confusion and embarrassment."

    The institute is housed at the University of Rochester and has a university-paid director. Gandhi submitted his resignation to the board Thursday and it was accepted yesterday.

    Board members could not be reached immediately yesterday, but a brief unsigned statement on the university's Web site said: "The essence of Arun Gandhi's work has been to educate and promote the principles of nonviolence. In that spirit, the Institute plans to work with the University of Rochester and other community groups to use the recent events as an opportunity to deepen mutual understanding through dialogue employing the principles of nonviolence and peace."

    Gandhi's comments were part of a discussion about the future of Jewish identity on the religion blog On Faith at washingtonpost.com. He wrote that Jewish identity is "locked into the holocaust experience," which Jews "overplay . . . to the point that it begins to repulse friends." The Jewish nation -- Israel, he wrote -- is too reliant upon weapons and bombs and should instead befriend its enemies.

    "Apparently, in the modern world, so determined to live by the bomb, this is an alien concept. You don't befriend anyone, you dominate them. We have created a culture of violence (Israel and the Jews are the biggest players) and that Culture of Violence is eventually going to destroy humanity," he wrote.

    The posting drew 438 comments -- an exceptionally high response for an On Faith essay -- and prompted such a backlash that Gandhi later posted an apology. The Web site also apologized.

    On Jan. 11, university President Joel Seligman labeled Gandhi's initial comments stereotyping and said they were "fundamentally inconsistent with the core values" of the school. Yesterday, he called the resignation "appropriate."

    The institute will remain at the university, which will host a forum later this year "to provide Arun Gandhi, a leader of the Jewish community and other speakers the opportunity to address the issues raised by Mr. Gandhi's statements and related issues. A University can and should promote dialogue in which we can learn from each other even when the most painful or difficult issues will be discussed," Seligman said in his statement yesterday.
     
  4. Press Release: Continuing Israeli Massacre in Gaza
    One Democratic State Group The latest round of Israeli massacres committed against the people of Gaza has resulted in the brutal killings of the Fayyad family in the town of Bani Suhaila, south of Khan Younus as they slept in their own house, and the injury of more than 30 civilians. Karima Fayyad, her sons, Ahmad and Sami, and her daughter Asma were killed when Israeli artillery fired missiles at the family's home This brings today's toll alone to 8 Palestinian martyrs, in addition to the 7 civilians killed yesterday. Since the end of the Annapolis International meeting, the Israeli Occupation Forces have killed more than 110 Palestinians, most of whom are civilians and children. The slow motion genocide itself has killed 59 patients over the last two months....


    Read the full article

    http://www.uruknet.de/?s1=1&p=39803&s2=04
     
  5. Haaretz probe: Shin Bet count of Gaza civilian deaths is too low

    http://www.haaretz. com/hasen/ spages/944263. html


    Israeli security forces killed 810 Palestinians in the Gaza Strip in 2006 and 2007, Shin Bet security service chief Yuval Diskin reported Sunday at the weekly cabinet briefing in Jerusalem. He estimated that some 200 of those killed were not clearly linked to terrorist organizations.

    However, an examination by Haaretz reveals that the number of Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces stands at 816 during those two years, and that of them, 360 were civilians who were not affiliated with any armed organizations. Data from B'Tselem, the Israeli human rights organization, show that 152 of the casualties were under age 18, and 48 were under the age of 14.

    According to Diskin, 356 Palestinian Gazans were killed in 2006, and an additional 454 in 2007.






    Internal Security Minister Avi Dichter, also present at the briefing, said that "about five percent of the militants in the Gaza Strip have been killed," adding that their number today is estimated at some 20,000. He said he was pleased with the results of the fighting against militants in the Strip, noting that Israel's security forces target terrorists while the Palestinians target civilians. "This asymmetry is part of a war of attrition: Sderot's residents are still leaving the city."

    Dichter went on to say that the war that is being waged against the Israel Defense Forces and Israel "is not being checked, but is actually intensifying. " He added that the IDF's modus operandi in Gaza must be changed with the aim of ending the war against the terror organizations there.

    Minister and former Shin Bet chief Ami Ayalon disagreed with Dichter. "We should [continue to] pursue the same policy in Gaza, which is so far proved effective in combating Hamas."

    Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Defense Minister Ehud Barak concurred with Ayalon.
     
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    http://www.telegraphindia.com/1080122/jsp/nation/story_8810462.jsp

    Jews fell Bapu grandson
    - Arun forced to quit US institute over online views

    Washington, Jan. 21: America’s omnipotent Jewish community has forced Mahatma Gandhi’s grandson, Arun Gandhi, to resign from the institute he founded in the US 17 years ago to spread the message of the Father of the Nation.

    His resignation offer follows remarks the grandson made about the Jewish identity and the Holocaust in an online discussion on faith and religion on the website of The Washington Post.

    “The Board of the M.K. Gandhi Institute for Non-violence has received Mr Arun Gandhi’s offer of resignation as president of our organisation,” the institute said in a statement released through the University of Rochester in New York state, where it is housed since June last year.

    “We are scheduling a board meeting with him upon his return from India (this) week,” the statement added.

    India is unlikely to say or do anything in defence of Arun even though the huge controversy here revolves around Gandhi and his ideals of non-violence, officials here privately said.

    New Delhi cannot afford to even tangentially annoy the American Jewish community because successive Indian governments have relied on this community for at least 15 years to bring Indo-US relations to its present health. The nuclear deal between India and the US would not have got to its present phase of implementation without the active involvement of the American Jewish community in its favour.

    Arun’s offer to resign follows several days of grovelling apologies by him, by the moderators of the online discussion on the Post website and defensive statements by University of Rochester president Joel Seligman for having associated with the M.K. Gandhi Institute for Non-violence.

    Hundreds of messages assailing Arun and The Washington Post were posted on the website, most of them clearly by Jews. The powerful American Jewish Committee’s executive director David A. Harris pre-empted any Indian reaction by hinting in a statement that India was being ungrateful for all that his organisation did for New Delhi.

    “We are proud at the American Jewish Committee to have played a vital role in nurturing the India-Israel bilateral relationship, as well as strengthening the bonds between American Jews and Indian Americans,” Harris said.

    Arun’s original remarks, which triggered the controversy, argued that “Jews today not only want the Germans to feel guilty but the whole world must regret what happened to the Jews. The world did feel sorry for the episode but when an individual or a nation refuses to forgive and move on the regret turns into anger.”

    Recalling his visit to Tel Aviv in 2004, Arun said he spoke to members of the Israeli parliament and asked in Gandhian tones: “Would it not be better to befriend those who hate you? Can you not reach out and share your technological advancement with your neighbours and build a relationship?”

    When a storm of protest erupted over these remarks, Arun apologised. “I do not believe and should not have implied that the policies of the Israeli government are reflective of the views of all Jewish people.”

    Seligman issued a statement that the apology was inadequate and that he was “deeply disappointed by Arun Gandhi’s recent opinion piece... which seem(s) fundamentally inconsistent with the core values of the University of Rochester.”

    The Post website’s moderators said: “We regret the initial posting, and we apologise for the episode”, begging readers for “a measure of forbearance and tolerance as the site endeavours to conduct a civil and illuminating conversation.”

    Local newspapers demanded Arun’s resignation and asked the University of Rochester to sever ties with the M.K.Gandhi Institute for Non-violence. The AJC called Arun’s comments “reprehensible” and said “Mr Gandhi has fallen short in his subsequent apology.”

    In addition to heading the Institute, Arun is a regular participant in “Renaissance Weekend” deliberations with former US President Bill Clinton and other Rhodes Scholars.
     
  7. hmmmmm.


    Arun Gandhi Quits Peace Institute in Flap Over Blog Posting

    Gandhi had apologized for his Jan. 7 essay. (By Bill O'leary -- The Washington Post)

    By Michelle Boorstein
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Saturday, January 26, 2008; Page C07

    The grandson of Indian spiritual leader Mahatma Gandhi resigned yesterday as president of the board of a conflict resolution institute after writing an online essay on a Washington Post blog calling Jews and Israel "the biggest players" in a global culture of violence.

    In his resignation letter to the board of the M.K. Gandhi Institute for Nonviolence, founder Arun Gandhi wrote that his Jan. 7 essay "was couched in language that was hurtful and contrary to the principles of nonviolence. My intention was to generate a healthy discussion on the proliferation of violence. Clearly I did not achieve my goal. Instead, unintentionally, my words have resulted in pain, anger, confusion and embarrassment."
     
  8. oh oh Ghandi was a bad goyim! He's lucky they didn't crucify him...


    Read the comments to the Washington Post article. 95% of them agree that Israel is a violent, radicalized, and terroristic state.
     
  9. Much of this problem is the failure of Palestinian Government to protect their innocent citizens.

    Any good government in a war would warn its citizens to stay out of harms way and away from the fighting.

    You see many Palestinians militia walking in the streets being surrounded by children. And the fighters also fight from occupied homes with families still there.

    Of course innocents get killed in these situations.

    Why would not the Hamas leaders and fighters tell the citizens to stay away from them.

    Maybe it is because they don't care and figure the more children Israel kills the better Hamas looks to the world.

    Pure Evil!
     
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    #10     Jan 27, 2008