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(If you drive a car, car;) - I’ll tax the street;

  1. And here you thought George Harrison was joking:

    Uncle Sam Considers Taxing Motorists for Miles Driven

    As if fuel taxes and rising gas prices weren't causing enough pain at the pump, Democrats seeking to raise new revenues to support federal spending on highway maintenance are considering taxing motorists for the number of miles they drive.

    The Congressional Budget Office lent credence to the idea in a detailed report released this week, saying that taxes on vehicle-miles traveled -- or VMT taxes -- would be a fair way to charge motorists for the real cost of using the nation's highways and would encourage more efficient use of the highways than fuel taxes.

    "Judging from estimates of the costs of highway use, a system that charged for all such costs would have most if not all motorists paying substantially more than they do now -- perhaps several times more," the report said. "Such a system would maximize the efficiency of highway use by discouraging trips for which costs exceed benefits."

    The report said VMT taxes "would create incentives for people to limit highway use to trips for which the benefits exceed the costs, thus reducing or eliminating overuse of highways and helping identify the economic value of investments in highways."

    But the report also said challenges remain in trying to implement a system that included installing metering equipment in all of the nation's vehicles.

    "Having the devices installed as original equipment under a mandate to vehicle manufacturers would be relatively inexpensive but could lead to a long transition; requiring vehicles to be retrofitted with the devices could be faster but much more costly, and the equipment could be more susceptible to tampering than factory-installed equipment might be."

    Not everyone, however, supports VMT taxes.

    "It's outrageous," said David Selig, a federal tax practitioner. "Right now because the economy of so many people who have to drive a long way to work for less money and now, because of this ridiculous proposal, they're actually going to bring home less money than ever before. Moreover, you have no reason to believe the government is actually going to use this money to repair the highways."

    The CBO issued the report at the request of Sen. Kent Conrad, chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, who held a hearing on transportation funding earlier this month.

    The Obama administration wants to spend $556 billion over the next six years, with $468 billion of that going to federal transportation improvement projects.

    Conrad noted that the fuel tax won't be enough to cover the federal deficit in highway spending. By 2021, he said, the gap is projected to be $18 billion a year.

    "We have a very big problem here to deal with and we know that the reality of trust fund financing is based on the gasoline tax," Conrad said. "The gasoline tax is more and more disconnected from the reality of modern transportation, with electric cars, with hybrids, with renewable fuels, with all of the rest that is happening to change the way we transit. We've got a big problem here between the need and the funding mechanism."

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-taxing-motorists-miles-driven/#ixzz1HkILAFRk
  2. It's more bullshit. Consider that the heavier the vehicle the more damage it does to the road and the more fuel it burns. The lighter more efficient vehicles do less damage and burn less fuel. The gas tax is still the best way to tax, if you can say that about a tax. The big spenders in Congress just want another huge revenue stream for their spending habit.
  3. The marxist-leftists hate anyone living in the country. Those people have to drive great distances so its easy to punish them with high fuel prices, fuel taxes, special mileage fees etc.

    The same marxist-leftist deep thinkers want high-speed rail and are spending tax money on it. Everyone knows the high-speed rail connections are all in large cities. Again, punishment to those who dare to live in "flyover country".

    Liberals want you out of your cars, out of your suburban homes, away from steaks, out of your heterosexual relationships. They want you to live in the city, ride the bus, eat rice-cakes or otherwise vegan food and they would be really happy if you became homosexual.

    Am I saying that most, possibly all homosexuals are liberals?

    Yeah, I guess I am. :D

    If the Israeli/Palestinian rocket duel lights off this summer fuel could become very expensive. I wonder what effect that might have on Obama's 2012 chances if fuel went to say $8.00/gallon.
  4. it makes sense to research the feasability. it is already done with commercial vehicles.
    how does a deep thinker such as yourself propose to pay for road upkeep if half of the cars in the us eventually become electric or some other form of energy that does not include gasoline?
  5. How's that coming along anyway?

    Tax his land,
    Tax his bed,
    Tax the table,
    At which he's fed.

    Tax his tractor,
    Tax his mule,
    Teach him taxes
    Are the rule.

    Tax his work,
    Tax his pay,
    He works for
    peanuts anyway!

    Tax his cow,
    Tax his goat,
    Tax his pants,
    Tax his coat.

    Tax his ties,
    Tax his shirt,
    Tax his work,
    Tax his dirt.

    Tax his tobacco,
    Tax his drink,
    Tax him if he
    Tries to think.

    Tax his cigars,
    Tax his beers,
    If he cries
    Tax his tears.

    Tax his car,
    Tax his gas,
    Find other ways
    To tax his ass.

    Tax all he has
    Then let him know
    That you won't be done
    Till he has no dough.

    When he screams and hollers;
    Then tax him some more,
    Tax him till
    He's good and sore.

    Then tax his coffin,
    Tax his grave,
    Tax the sod in
    Which he's laid...

    Put these words
    Upon his tomb,
    'Taxes drove me
    to my doom...'

    When he's gone,
    Do not relax,
    Its time to apply
    The inheritance tax.
  6. >>>>>>Moreover, you have no reason to believe the government is actually going to use this money to repair the highways."<<<<<

    Exactly. They will use the money to pay for employee pay and benefits. Roads are just an excuse.
  7. The problem is government and anyone trying to make a distinction between democrats and republicans hasn't been paying attention. Drive them all into the sea.
  8. Why do I have to figure out how to pay for your fantasies? Its the Lefts hairbrained idea, let them figure out how to pay for it!

    Electric cars? Pulleeease!

    Do you really think Detroit is going to voluntarily produce the electric cars that put it out of the internal combustion business?

    I don't think so.
  9. +1
  10. while i agree with you, in the subject of taxation, it is overwhelmingly a democrat desire.
  11. Pay attention people. Roads are just the distraction. The democrats are desperate to come up with more money to funnel to their paymasters in the unions. They want more huge, corrupt projects like Boston's notorious "Big Dig", that generate billions in contracts they can award to their cronies and skim off money for the army of consultants, diversity advisors, environmental studies and other nonsense they use to divert tax money to their supporters.
  12. yea its those evil democrats doing all the skimming:

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    Haley Barbour
    Last Updated: October 13, 2008

    Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour doesn’t have to worry about re-election for his livelihood. Where there is money to be made from government influence peddling, Barbour is marquee bankable.

    An operative in Mississippi’s GOP since the mid ‘70s, Barbour moved up to the Reagan/Bush White House as Director of Political Affairs. Just before the ’92 election, he began calling in his chips by setting up a GOP powered lobby firm, Barbour Griffith & Rodgers (BGR).

    Packed with influential insiders, and financed by big time favor-buying companies, its fortune was assured. Fortune magazine soon named BGR the nation’s second most powerful lobby firm. When George W took office in 2001, its rank moved up to #1. Barbour’s other name partners in BGR are Lanny Griffith and Ed Rodgers, both top officials of George Sr’s administration.

    Barbour’s expertise at political skullduggery was already well established. From 1994 to1996, as Chairman of the Republican National Committee, he solicited hundreds of thousands of dollars from Hong Kong businessman Ambrous Tung Young for a GOP group Barbour created, called the National Policy Forum. He applied to the IRS for tax-exempt status, claiming it was a nonpartisan group, which could legally accept foreign contributions.

    Before receiving a response, Barbour then used Young’s money as collateral for a $2.1 million bank loan. The same day it received the loan, Barbour’s “nonpartisan” group gave $1.6 million to Barbour’s Republican National Committee. Most of it went to various state GOP groups before the IRS rejected the nonpartisan claim.

    Since becoming Governor of Mississippi in 2003, Barbour has had no compunction granting questionable State contracts to former and current BGR clients. As with Dick Cheney and Halliburton, Barbour merely placed his corporate assets in trust while in public office.

    Actually the mega-bucks for Barbour’s firm, which also started flowing in ‘03, came from a far greater source. It was the Federal Government’s spending on the Iraq War, which had just begun.

    BGR put together three other companies – Crest Investments, New Bridge Strategies and Diligence Inc. under one roof (both office space and politically super-powered principals).

    * Crest Investments had two co-founders - Neil Bush, President George W’s often caught but never incarcerated brother, and fellow fortunate son Jamal Daniel, whose father reportedly founded the Baath Party in Syria. The two have been close for decades. Daniel was a major contributor to George Sr’s campaigns, and when Neil remarried in 2004, Daniel held the wedding reception at his home. As a gift Daniel gave Neil a $400,000 cottage near the Bush family summer home in Maine.

    With no experience in natural gas, Neil and Jamal were given a no-bid contract in Texas to build and run a $400 million liquefied natural gas storage plant. The plant provides annual payments of $2 million to Crest Investments.

    Jamal Daniel is also a Director of New Bridge Strategies, another company created by Barbour under the BGR umbrella. This one’s co -founder is Joseph Allbaugh, George W Bush’s 2000 Presidential campaign manager, then FEMA Director. Brother Neil Bush is listed as a Consultant.

    * New Bridge Strategies website in’03 trumpeted its insider ability to deliver Iraq War contracts within weeks of the US invasion. It proclaimed: “The opportunities evolving in Iraq today are of such an unprecedented nature and scope that no other existing firm has the necessary skills and experience to be effective both in the United States and on the ground in Iraq." BGR also provided equity funding for Diligence LLC, a military contractor under its own roof.

    *Diligence LLC, with Allbaugh listed as Vice Chairman, is a private force much like Blackwater, with contracts to provide security for corporate executives in Iraq. A Diligence subsidiary is owned by Mohammed Al-Sagar, Chairman of the Kuwaiti parliament’s foreign relations committee. Richard Burt, Assistant Secretary of State and Ambassador to Germany under George Bush Sr, is Chairman of Diligence LLC and a Director of BGR

    In 2005, a certain ill wind did BGR and affiliates lots of good, domestically. Two years earlier, when Barbour’s partner Joseph Allbaugh moved over from FEMA, he’d arranged for his long-time associate, Michael Brown (“Doin’ a heckova job Brownie”), to take over as Director. When Katrina hit, for this group it was a perfect storm of profit.

    Allbaugh and his wife Diane also own the Allbaugh Group, which was hired by Kellogg Brown & Root (KBR), a Halliburton subsidiary, and the Shaw Environmental Group to lobby Governor Barbour for Katrina contracts. AshBritt, a Florida (and major Jeb Bush contributor) BGR client, was given a $580 million contract to do Katrina cleanup.

    The wife of Barbour’s nephew, Rosemary Barbour, was one of the biggest Mississippi-based winners of Katrina contracts. Her company, Alacatec LLC, picked up nearly $300 million in contracts from the Federal Emergency Management Agency or the General Services Administration, the bulk of it for trailer maintenance. The FBI began an investigation in 2007.

    While in office, Governor Barbour’s also voted to favor tobacco interests, proposing to cut a children’s anti-smoking program and veto legislation that would increase Mississippians cigarette tax while eliminating the state’s grocery tax. Lorillard Tobacco is one of BGR’s most lucrative clients, paying it $2.4 million from 1998-2005. Lorillard is also a client of Capitol Resources LLC, the Mississippi lobbying firm where Barbour's two nephews, Henry and Austin Barbour, work.

    Barbour also directly controlled the management of GOP Marketplace, the consulting firm central to the 2002 New Hampshire Senate election scandal. GOP Marketplace was accused of jamming a Democrat phone bank being used for get out the vote efforts. Former New Hampshire Republican Committee Executive Director Chuck McGee, former president of GOP Marketplace, Allen Raymond, and the former New England chairman of President Bush’s re-election campaign, James Tobin, were convicted for the plot.

    Barbour was the largest contributor to former Army/CIA officer Mike Battles’ 2002 run for Congress in Rhode Island. The FEC fined Battles for "misstatement of financial activities." After losing the election, Battles founded Iraq security contractor Custer Battles, which, within months was awarded $100 million (much of it in cash) from the Coalition Provisional Authority.

    An Army inspector general, Col. Richard Ballard, reported as early as November 2003 that Custer Battles was utterly incompetent. In the fall of 2004, Air Force Deputy General Counsel Steven Shaw accused Custer Battles of creating sham companies to steal $millions. In 2005, former employees accused the company of systematically defrauding the Coalition Provisional Authority of tens of millions of dollars. In March 2006, a Virginia federal jury found Custer Battles guilty of defrauding the United States. The verdict was overturned on appeal, when the court decided that the contract was with the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq, which was not under the jurisdiction of U.S. fraud laws.
  13. Sounds like a government run toll road system. I think it's a fine idea, combining the best of commons management with a "if you use it you pay for it" market approach.
  14. How long until they want to tax the air we breathe? Oh wait, they already tried to do that under the guise of global warming. All that nasty CO2 we exhale is apparnetly killing the planet, even though it makes plants grow like crazy.
  15. You are being taxed to keep certain substances out of the air you breathe. Do you object to this?
  16. How about a tax that puts oil industry people like YOU out of business?