How do you lose $5 billion in one week?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by OddTrader, Sep 20, 2006.

  1. piezoe

    piezoe

    "....I've heard that their trade was profitable. Illiquidity was the problem...more specifically GREED............"

    Actually i think it had more to do with impact cost. As Nat Gas futures moved lower, Hunter kept doubling down. His buying was large enough to have significant upward impact on the market. He apparently did not realize the extent to which his purchases were supporting the market, which if allowed to assume its natural course would have moved still lower. When he ran out of money, the market moved on down to where it was trying to go in the first place. Hunter misjudged the impact cost of his buying and in the process took on way to much leverage.

    Tha's my take anyway.
     
    #71     Sep 21, 2006
  2. piezoe

    piezoe

    "....Why wasnt a stop put in a long time before the excess of bleeding 5b?"""

    As someone pointed out, illiquidity! For a stop to work there has got to be a willing buyer on the other side.

    If you want to know why something wasn't done "a long time before" than you have to conclude that the trader's inexperience did not make him sufficently cautious. In a word, he goofed up big time! And too, there should have been more oversight from experienced hands when a position is that large.
     
    #72     Sep 21, 2006
  3. dozu888

    dozu888

    hedge funds are such a scam... they take 20% on high water marks, so the traders are encouraged to take big risks. when the trade goes rotten, it's the investors taking the hit, and he is not gonna spit out 20% he already took.
     
    #73     Sep 21, 2006
  4. Chood

    Chood

    Crikey, I feel his pain. Leaves only 50 percent of the 50 percent left in the fund, 18.75 million, plus the 37.5 he took out.

     
    #74     Sep 21, 2006
  5. Under this logic, Bush jr. is a super genius.
     
    #75     Sep 21, 2006
  6. ...or the devil {acording to hugo chaves}
     
    #76     Sep 21, 2006
  7. tireg

    tireg

    #77     Sep 21, 2006
  8. 1600 positions more or less, not counting the private stuff.

    c'mon, the dweebs here at ET handle more than that when they are on vacation.

    pikers.
     
    #78     Sep 21, 2006
  9. Chood

    Chood

    My snide aside, below, is obvious, I know, but so is this blow up. So obvious that it defies belief. I mean the guy stayed and traded in Calgary, his hometown. How Big League could he be? He’s the home trader juking to Rick Derringer. Nat gas and rock n roll Hoochie Koo don’t mix, apparently.
     
    #79     Sep 22, 2006
  10. fader

    fader

    i haven't seen all the details, but is there any knowledge if there were any significant named counterparties on the other side of these spreads? there must be some happy faces out there.
     
    #80     Sep 22, 2006